TOPIC: [FORUM] Morgan - General Discussion

Morgan wrote: You did bully a staff member and with the current system in place for meetings and with how many people of high rank that were involved it isn't surprising nothing happened punishment wise. I know how a few people feel about that situation and trust me something should've been done about it but nothing was. Anyway, I'm only commenting these responses to this situation because it was the reasoning for my minus support and I was elaborating just in case someone wants to try and remove these posts.

SoraJS wrote: Sora, a legend!

Morgan wrote: So if I get reported for saying the N word with two B's and it gets denied it's not racism?

GmadTheH4cker wrote: Sorry buddy, but the world isn't black and white like that. Racism is always racist (and such a report couldn't possibly be denied) as it derives from a racist word with a long history and a clear origin.

Bullying is a lot more subjective, and in this case the staff team apparently decided this situation would not be classed as harassment. You can say a lot about how double that is, but in a democratic community such as this one that's unavoidable.

Now please shut up about these matters from the past. Even Chummy has said that he would rather leave it all in the past then cause a ruckus over it, so I think he, as well as Morgan, would greatly appreciate it if you could respect that.

Raeker wrote: Bringing up a recent event as reasoning for giving a negative support is completely fine and elaborating on it if they wish to make a counter statement is also completely fine. Commenting on applications and giving reasoning and making a separate post on a different thread or on its own thread for the sake of reviving old drama are two different things.

SoraJS wrote: Thank You.

@Raeker
I know I would be warned for that -.- it was just an example

Someone give this man a rank!

Yea Baldy!

Thanks for your feedback guys!

I'm not going to be toxic in this app you have shown you can be staff and deal with situations but as have been previously stated many people dislike you and you have been toxic in the past I wish you the best of luck

MageJamy wrote:
I know a lot of people don't like me, but I'm not here to try and have everyone like me. I'll be myself and do my job while doing it, and it's worked out very well seeing my current powers. As for my toxicity in the past I'm sure you're referring to my community bans possibly, which doesn't really have an effect on this application at this point.

Thanks for the feedback!

Raeker wrote: Racism is actually incorrectly defined here, Racism is clearly very subjective since a fair argument can be made for full usage of the N-word and likewise a fair counter-argument can be made its just that the counter argument is more publicly accepted but if you really think about it Racism is the belief that a race is superior to another one so really a word cannot be inherently racist. It can however have racist connotations or history but that does not necessarily mean that usage of the word is racist, it simply means it is insensitive to do so. And the origin may not actually be as clear as you think but that is an argument for another day.

Bottom line is that almost everything has a degree of subjectivity so like how racism can be subjective bullying is subjective and when something is subjective the only way to reach a conclusion on its political correctness is by evaluating what conclusion has the most public support. In this case the public is ZARP's community so whether Morgan's actions are bullying or not is down to the community to decide. However the community trusts the staff team to make a decision on their behalf, similarly to how a representative electoral system works and since the staff team decided to deny the report it means that the community should be regarding Morgan's actions to not be bullying. There will always be arguments to this but a verdict has been reached so this is one of the few times I agree that Morgan is in the right.

RealDenis wrote:

This couldn't be said any better I agree.

Morgan wrote: I can answer this question or sentence the reason it was denied because someone in the community couldn't man up and take that warn instead they apologize and they think in their thick head that its over, my ass I'm not saying its Morgan but someone else in this community

RealDenis wrote:
Don't think you understand how the system works here all that well if you're trying to say this doesn't include blind favoritism a lot of the time let alone comparing it to a democratic government which this community can be far from sometimes, it also doesn't take the consideration that a good deal of people don't trust the team to make a good decision on punishments with the way the system is here when it comes to voting, stalling, people leaving due to meeting times, and just general trolling and slight favoritism. This is a gmod community after all and it will have these flaws no matter what you do. This is all from first-hand experience being in the lead team in the higher positions, nothing is perfect. Also, it was textbook bullying and you can read the comments on the original report when it comes down to the "community deciding" just about every person thought it was pretty out of line/bullying.

People are right, just because something got denied at the lead team's discretion does not make anything factual, but the thing that can't be denied is that the situation has since been resolved between both parties. At this point it's fair to just move on from this whole situation when it was blatantly resolved. I just think the sudden discussion of that whole situation is just an act of desperation to make sure Morgan does not get the position. If someone can actually bring something up negative and it's ongoing then I'm sure a lot more people will be willing to take it seriously.

@Sora
Also, not to turn this into a political debate, but you can't really claim that someone's opinion, (in this case the lead team's) does not matter just because the community itself may be trying to emulate democracy whilst it's a mere gaming community. In real life government elected officials don't come through on promises all the time, so I just don't think that's a good comparison for this situation. Considering some of the communities you have told me that you were a part of, I think you know the difference between a community that at least tries to emulate democracy vs one that does whatever the hell they please.

Outside of the whole situation with Morgan and Chummy, Morgan has clearly exceeded expectations since he has returned, otherwise he wouldn't be in the position he is in. If the behavior that everyone has been insisting is still present then I think it's at least a little logical to think that there'd be a little more evidence than just a altercation with Chummy that has since been resolved.

Jochs wrote: My dude

Jochs wrote: It wasn't turned into a political debate off of one comparison for one so nice try my guy. Something doesn't have to be "ongoing" for it to be brought up as a reason for not supporting someone's application, like saying hey I was racist a week ago but it's not ongoing so you shouldn't bring that up as a reason to not support me. Also, to run it back on your first few sentences "just because something got denied at the lead team's discretion does not make anything factual" that's literally what my initial message was in the post you were replying to so I don't see how any of your points have any traction.

It's okay Sora you tried your best