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[FORUM] Morgan - General Discussion 7 years 1 day ago #743187

Despite all the argument about morgan begin toxic I can only say hes an great staff member and I think you should be accepted for the general discussion.Alright coming from an member that is not that trusted and known rule breaker and minge but I have actually changed and showed that I have changed by not getting banned I have quit doing drugs and my mind and my mental state are clear now I would say my opinion is that you are doing an great job Morgan people who been not supporting you are just salty because you warned them or you been racist or something witch clearly doesn't matter I think you should keep up the good work and ignore the haters you have got my full support and respect and you have earned it since we weren't good friends before I am willing to show and tell that you have actually changed after you got banned.

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[FORUM] Morgan - General Discussion 7 years 1 day ago #743642

SoraJS wrote:
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Sorry buddy, but the world isn't black and white like that. Racism is always racist (and such a report couldn't possibly be denied) as it derives from a racist word with a long history and a clear origin.

Bullying is a lot more subjective, and in this case the staff team apparently decided this situation would not be classed as harassment. You can say a lot about how double that is, but in a democratic community such as this one that's unavoidable.
Racism is actually incorrectly defined here, Racism is clearly very subjective since a fair argument can be made for full usage of the N-word and likewise a fair counter-argument can be made its just that the counter argument is more publicly accepted but if you really think about it Racism is the belief that a race is superior to another one so really a word cannot be inherently racist. It can however have racist connotations or history but that does not necessarily mean that usage of the word is racist, it simply means it is insensitive to do so. And the origin may not actually be as clear as you think but that is an argument for another day.

Bottom line is that almost everything has a degree of subjectivity so like how racism can be subjective bullying is subjective and when something is subjective the only way to reach a conclusion on its political correctness is by evaluating what conclusion has the most public support. In this case the public is ZARP's community so whether Morgan's actions are bullying or not is down to the community to decide. However the community trusts the staff team to make a decision on their behalf, similarly to how a representative electoral system works and since the staff team decided to deny the report it means that the community should be regarding Morgan's actions to not be bullying. There will always be arguments to this but a verdict has been reached so this is one of the few times I agree that Morgan is in the right.

Don't think you understand how the system works here all that well if you're trying to say this doesn't include blind favoritism a lot of the time let alone comparing it to a democratic government which this community can be far from sometimes, it also doesn't take the consideration that a good deal of people don't trust the team to make a good decision on punishments with the way the system is here when it comes to voting, stalling, people leaving due to meeting times, and just general trolling and slight favoritism. This is a gmod community after all and it will have these flaws no matter what you do. This is all from first-hand experience being in the lead team in the higher positions, nothing is perfect. Also, it was textbook bullying and you can read the comments on the original report when it comes down to the "community deciding" just about every person thought it was pretty out of line/bullying.
Well my comparison wasn't necessarily trying to claim it as fact it was just a comparison. Raeker and others know first hand just what I think about the favoritism in the staff team and I have gone as far as calling it corruption in the past. But that doesn't change the fact that the majority of the community trust the staff team's decisions and that cannot be argued. Like you said there are people who disagree as there is even in a democratic government, e.g. disagreements with tax changes, changes to the law etc. But on the whole the government's decisions are trusted its just people who disagree tend to be more vocal then those who agree so like I said just because you and some others disagree with a verdict the verdict is still there regardless. Whether or not you want to bring up Morgan's actions anyways is up to you but I'm just letting it be known that the official decision made by the staff team was that it was not bullying and that decision should be respected.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that in the "original comments" you mentioned you will see that I also thought it was blatant bullying and I was quite aggressive toward the perpetrators but I still decide to respect the decision the staff team made even though I disagree with it and feel there was some degree of unfairness in the decision.
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[FORUM] Morgan - General Discussion 6 years 11 months ago #745302

Thanks for all of your feedback everyone!
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