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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042225

Well from reading all the comments and based on what happened it's clearly a mistake from part of CeeZee
destroying a Healthstation it's KoSable and he warned and slayed someone who didn't deserved, then he is still going full damage control trying to say he isn't at fault here, so why is the topic not closed?
While the rules are pretty clear about what happened it seems like an honest mistake on his part but being demoted out of one mistake it's pretty brutal, however he should just admit his own fault, take the blame and learn from his mistake.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042234

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Well from reading all the comments and based on what happened it's clearly a mistake from part of CeeZee
destroying a Healthstation it's KoSable and he warned and slayed someone who didn't deserved, then he is still going full damage control trying to say he isn't at fault here, so why is the topic not closed?
While the rules are pretty clear about what happened it seems like an honest mistake on his part but being demoted out of one mistake it's pretty brutal, however he should just admit his own fault, take the blame and learn from his mistake.

It's not written anywhere in the rules, which is what I warned him by. I double checked to see if it was. I offered for him to come on to TS and see if we get get clarification.

He slapped me away saying he wanted nothing to do with me, I'm fine with getting the warn removed from him, but it was a fair warn given the information provided in the okay to KOS list, and the detective who placed it was also fine with me destroying it, who WATCHED me destroy his health station that he made because I specifically asked for.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042246

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Well from reading all the comments and based on what happened it's clearly a mistake from part of CeeZee
destroying a Healthstation it's KoSable and he warned and slayed someone who didn't deserved, then he is still going full damage control trying to say he isn't at fault here, so why is the topic not closed?
While the rules are pretty clear about what happened it seems like an honest mistake on his part but being demoted out of one mistake it's pretty brutal, however he should just admit his own fault, take the blame and learn from his mistake.

It's not written anywhere in the rules, which is what I warned him by. I double checked to see if it was. I offered for him to come on to TS and see if we get get clarification.

He slapped me away saying he wanted nothing to do with me, I'm fine with getting the warn removed from him, but it was a fair warn given the information provided in the okay to KOS list, and the detective who placed it was also fine with me destroying it, who WATCHED me destroy his health station that he made because I specifically asked for.

If you are going to use that logic and say it wasn't in the valid KOS reasons and warn him its also not listed in the invalid reasons. Just ask someone if you are unsure don't just punish anyway.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042247

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stoutshako wrote:

Well from reading all the comments and based on what happened it's clearly a mistake from part of CeeZee
destroying a Healthstation it's KoSable and he warned and slayed someone who didn't deserved, then he is still going full damage control trying to say he isn't at fault here, so why is the topic not closed?
While the rules are pretty clear about what happened it seems like an honest mistake on his part but being demoted out of one mistake it's pretty brutal, however he should just admit his own fault, take the blame and learn from his mistake.

It's not written anywhere in the rules, which is what I warned him by. I double checked to see if it was. I offered for him to come on to TS and see if we get get clarification.

He slapped me away saying he wanted nothing to do with me, I'm fine with getting the warn removed from him, but it was a fair warn given the information provided in the okay to KOS list, and the detective who placed it was also fine with me destroying it, who WATCHED me destroy his health station that he made because I specifically asked for.

Wow it's incredible that you're still going at it in full damage control, you don't even want to admit that you aren't slightly wrong but I guess that's what you expect from someone called out for corruption.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042253

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Well from reading all the comments and based on what happened it's clearly a mistake from part of CeeZee
destroying a Healthstation it's KoSable and he warned and slayed someone who didn't deserved, then he is still going full damage control trying to say he isn't at fault here, so why is the topic not closed?
While the rules are pretty clear about what happened it seems like an honest mistake on his part but being demoted out of one mistake it's pretty brutal, however he should just admit his own fault, take the blame and learn from his mistake.

It's not written anywhere in the rules, which is what I warned him by. I double checked to see if it was. I offered for him to come on to TS and see if we get get clarification.

He slapped me away saying he wanted nothing to do with me, I'm fine with getting the warn removed from him, but it was a fair warn given the information provided in the okay to KOS list, and the detective who placed it was also fine with me destroying it, who WATCHED me destroy his health station that he made because I specifically asked for.

Wow it's incredible that you're still going at it in full damage control, you don't even want to admit that you aren't slightly wrong but I guess that's what you expect from someone called out for corruption.

That's..a joke. I'm known for calling out the lead team years ago for being corrupt.

I don't know who you are, why you decide to comment on here as a fresh account suddenly, but yeah, you're a bit out of the loop bud
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If you are going to use that logic and say it wasn't in the valid KOS reasons and warn him its also not listed in the invalid reasons. Just ask someone if you are unsure don't just punish anyway.

If it's not in the valid KOS reasons rule why would I need to ask someone? I checked the rules because I was unsure, as you know, staff should be doing.

As I said, I told him to come on TS and speak it out if he felt it was unjust, I got called names and told to piss off, so I don't get why you're acting as if I'm being an immovable object about the warn

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042262

If it's not in the valid KOS reasons rule why would I need to ask someone? I checked the rules because I was unsure, as you know, staff should be doing.

As I said, I told him to come on TS and speak it out if he felt it was unjust, I got called names and told to piss off, so I don't get why you're acting as if I'm being an immovable object about the warn

you don't seem to understand the problem to begin with don't you?
let me break it up for you

You as a staff member warned and slayed a player for a rule you were unsure about
Staff members in most servers are not 10 year olds, I guess they expect you to show some leniency within the rules
While you might have a point on the rule, you should understand that it was perfectly understandable for him to have killed you under that situation, rules are not set in concrete mistakes happen, just as rdm chains happen you just don't slay all the persons involved on it, the guy saw you destroying a healthstation and did what he did to which you still think you're 100% right and did absolutely nothing wrong.
It doesn't matter if he called you names or whatever outside of the game, you guys can't hate each other outside of the game as much as you guys want, what matters is what happened in the situation in game.
Now you can keep being "THAT" person who is "I never do anything wrong, it was his fault 100% I'm the one at right here" or you can show some maturity as an adult and admit that you also acted wrongly during the development of the events that lead to this post.
again I don't think you should be demoted at all, but you clearly acted harshly about something that could be easily described as an honest mistake.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042275

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You as a staff member warned and slayed a player for a rule you were unsure about

No I did not. Before I warned him I made sure to triple check the entire rules list. I was unsure, then read the rules to make sure. Afterward I even said, he can come on TS and remove it, as the warn is easily removed. He did not want that.

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you should understand that it was perfectly understandable for him to have killed you under that situation

No, given the context it was not, he waited to kill me after I said "if you want to try and kill me go ahead, I'll beat you and you'll find out I'm innocent for it" and after staring at each other for a good 20 seconds he decides to kill me and he won the engagement, so I asked him via report why, he said it was for the healthstation, he claimed he never saw no detective watching me destroy it and it wasn't his problem

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rules are not set in concrete mistakes happen

This is why I gave him the option to talk to me on TeamSpeak about it, he kept yelling, whining, telling me to read the rules (which I already had) so I linked them to him, and told him to look, that it was not in the valid KOS rules

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what matters is what happened in the situation in game

Yes exactly, he said this stuff to me in game and out of game.

stoutshako wrote:

Now you can keep being "THAT" person who is "I never do anything wrong, it was his fault 100% I'm the one at right here" or you can show some maturity as an adult and admit that you also acted wrongly during the development of the events that lead to this post.

Sorry but who are you to come to this conclusion? It feels like a alt account for the fact you want to put your opinion across and feel very strongly about this, despite being your first post. Have you not read that I'm open to removing the warn, and having the KOSable rules updated and made clear? I used the rules to punish someone, as any admin should do. Where have I shown that I'm not being cooperative? The warn given all my information made available to the players and staff, was valid. I told him if he wished to talk about it on TeamSpeak he could, I have shown nothing but leniency, I just did my job and warned a guy who didn't follow the rules. I don't feel personal about this report nor the player at hand. Nor am I 100% on the warn sticking.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042278

omg you're THAT guy, lmao	stoutshako Offline Fresh Boarder You want some Peanutbutter with that JAM? Posts: 5 Karma: -3
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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042283

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stoutshako wrote:

You as a staff member warned and slayed a player for a rule you were unsure about

No I did not. Before I warned him I made sure to triple check the entire rules list. I was unsure, then read the rules to make sure. Afterward I even said, he can come on TS and remove it, as the warn is easily removed. He did not want that.

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you should understand that it was perfectly understandable for him to have killed you under that situation

No, given the context it was not, he waited to kill me after I said "if you want to try and kill me go ahead, I'll beat you and you'll find out I'm innocent for it" and after staring at each other for a good 20 seconds he decides to kill me and he won the engagement, so I asked him via report why, he said it was for the healthstation, he claimed he never saw no detective watching me destroy it and it wasn't his problem

stoutshako wrote:

rules are not set in concrete mistakes happen

This is why I gave him the option to talk to me on TeamSpeak about it, he kept yelling, whining, telling me to read the rules (which I already had) so I linked them to him, and told him to look, that it was not in the valid KOS rules

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what matters is what happened in the situation in game

Yes exactly, he said this stuff to me in game and out of game.

stoutshako wrote:

Now you can keep being "THAT" person who is "I never do anything wrong, it was his fault 100% I'm the one at right here" or you can show some maturity as an adult and admit that you also acted wrongly during the development of the events that lead to this post.

Sorry but who are you to come to this conclusion? It feels like a alt account for the fact you want to put your opinion across and feel very strongly about this, despite being your first post. Have you not read that I'm open to removing the warn, and having the KOSable rules updated and made clear? I used the rules to punish someone, as any admin should do. Where have I shown that I'm not being cooperative? The warn given all my information made available to the players and staff, was valid. I told him if he wished to talk about it on TeamSpeak he could, I have shown nothing but leniency, I just did my job and warned a guy who didn't follow the rules. I don't feel personal about this report nor the player at hand. Nor am I 100% on the warn sticking.

You triple checked the rules but missed the part where it says "a few" of the valid KOS reasons every time.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042284

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stoutshako wrote:

You as a staff member warned and slayed a player for a rule you were unsure about

No I did not. Before I warned him I made sure to triple check the entire rules list. I was unsure, then read the rules to make sure. Afterward I even said, he can come on TS and remove it, as the warn is easily removed. He did not want that.

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you should understand that it was perfectly understandable for him to have killed you under that situation

No, given the context it was not, he waited to kill me after I said "if you want to try and kill me go ahead, I'll beat you and you'll find out I'm innocent for it" and after staring at each other for a good 20 seconds he decides to kill me and he won the engagement, so I asked him via report why, he said it was for the healthstation, he claimed he never saw no detective watching me destroy it and it wasn't his problem

stoutshako wrote:

rules are not set in concrete mistakes happen

This is why I gave him the option to talk to me on TeamSpeak about it, he kept yelling, whining, telling me to read the rules (which I already had) so I linked them to him, and told him to look, that it was not in the valid KOS rules

stoutshako wrote:

what matters is what happened in the situation in game

Yes exactly, he said this stuff to me in game and out of game.

stoutshako wrote:

Now you can keep being "THAT" person who is "I never do anything wrong, it was his fault 100% I'm the one at right here" or you can show some maturity as an adult and admit that you also acted wrongly during the development of the events that lead to this post.

Sorry but who are you to come to this conclusion? It feels like a alt account for the fact you want to put your opinion across and feel very strongly about this, despite being your first post. Have you not read that I'm open to removing the warn, and having the KOSable rules updated and made clear? I used the rules to punish someone, as any admin should do. Where have I shown that I'm not being cooperative? The warn given all my information made available to the players and staff, was valid. I told him if he wished to talk about it on TeamSpeak he could, I have shown nothing but leniency, I just did my job and warned a guy who didn't follow the rules. I don't feel personal about this report nor the player at hand. Nor am I 100% on the warn sticking.

You triple checked the rules but missed the part where it says "a few" of the valid KOS reasons every time.

Then where's the full list of them?

As there should be one.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042298

Well , I will now go back to TTT just to destroy any Healthstation I see , and if I get reported I just say " its not in the rules"	Longshot Offline Senior Boarder I'm a fucking cunt Posts: 434 Thanks received: 181 Karma: 1
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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042301

Longshot wrote: Well , I will now go back to TTT just to destroy any Healthstation I see , and if I get reported I just say " its not in the rules" You've generalised this entire situation to the max. Try again when you consider the context a bit better	.uzi Offline Former Community Manager Foos yer doos? Posts: 6007 Thanks received: 2443 Karma: 123
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.uzi wrote: Longshot wrote: Well , I will now go back to TTT just to destroy any Healthstation I see , and if I get reported I just say " its not in the rules" You've generalised this entire situation to the max. Try again when you consider the context a bit better Damn you are very Fucking daft	Longshot Offline Senior Boarder I'm a fucking cunt Posts: 434 Thanks received: 181 Karma: 1
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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042325

Longshot wrote:

.uzi wrote:

Longshot wrote:

Well , I will now go back to TTT just to destroy any Healthstation I see , and if I get reported I just say " its not in the rules"

You've generalised this entire situation to the max. Try again when you consider the context a bit better

Damn you are very Fucking daft

No, no I don't think I am.

For one you've proven you're physically incapable of reading. You also say you're a nice person but yet here you are calling people 'daft' on a gaming forum for pointing out your inaccuracies.

Thank fuck you're an ex-admin.

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Report Abuse Warn And Demote request 6 years 1 month ago #1042330

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Kyber wrote:

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Hi there, we talked this out in game and it seems you decided to take it to forums even after calling me names such as "DIRTY LOSER" and saying I wasn't worth it

I linked you the rules to show you there is no valid KOS reason for doing so, and the detective gave me the health station and was standing right beside me as I used it and destroyed it

Here are the TTT valid KOS reasons

2.6 Valid KOS Reasons
There are many KOS reasons and they all work in different situations and scenarios, here are a few:

- Holding/Using a Traitor only weapon without announcing that he got it from a traitor.
- Ignoring unidentified bodies/C4 etc.
- Declaring invalid KOS on other players.
- Turning themselves in i.e. "I'm a traitor, in the traitor room" etc.
- Seeing a player inside of a Traitor only room.
- Failure to answer to a life check.
- Throwing a incendiary/discombobulator grenade near the player.
- Pushing someone with a crowbar near an edge or hazard.
- Attempting to obstruct the Golden block from reaching the tester.
- Attempting to obstruct diamond cubes from reaching the furnace.

2.3 Detective Warnings/KOS Reasons
As a detective you may issue a warning to players to not do/use something, but you must still use valid KOS reasons, and not make up your own false reasons. As with rule 2.2, you need to give at least two warnings in chat before you can KOS them. Some examples of valid detective KOS reasons are:

- Refusing to go into the traitor tester after being asked multiple times.
- Using a health station repeatedly without permission.
- Refusing to cease fire.

After linking you the rules you seemed very hesitant to go to the forums, said you wanted nothing further to do with me, I also never called you idiot, I said if you wanted to shoot me for it I will shoot you back for it and probably win in a cocky attitude, you decided to shoot me for a non valid KOS reason, I shot back, I lost

I asked you to stop going on about it, gave you my final response and if you continued to go on about it, I said it would be a short gag/mute to calm you down a bit

I don't like the fact you're exaggerating what happened

I can send the recordings of the situation to whoever I need to once I'm back from work tonight.

It’s traitor baiting. So therefore it’s a valid KOS

I killed a T, the detective was right beside me, I said "yo detective I just killed a T, can I have a health station?" then he gave me one, healed himself then I started healing

Others started using the health station to which nobody can prove if they're innocent or not yet (It was placed very openly) the detective watched me destroy the health station (spawned for me) and was ok with it

I'm not sure it could be any less t-baiting

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Here’s not really any logic in that, you’ve destroyed a one time use item so nobody else can use it, which would damage the innocents’ chance of victory.

It would also benefit the traitors chance of winning, due to it being in the open, it's a double edged sword

If he put it in a private, more hidden space yeah sure it's dumb for me to delete it, but it was right outside the T room lol

I mean, there’s better ways to stop it from being outside the t room such as using your magneto stick, also, why would traitors take health from a health station then instantly go into the t room when it’s out in the open? I’m pretty sure it’s harming the detective and innocents chance of survival as there are more innocents than traitors and again, the detective can only place one down.

I never said the T's would go in the T room, I'm simply saying it was placed right in the open and anyone could use it, and considering it's beside a T location, they would have a higher chance of seeing it

There are more than 1 detective, at least in the round In my report, it's a double edged sword that the detective was fine with me doing, if the detective killed me for it there's nothing I could do, but he was fine with it

I'm done bickering and I believe I've told my half of the story, I'll show the videos and the messages received from the opposite side to the Super Admin or Head Admin that handles this case

I'm not against the warn being removed, I asked for him to come on TeamSpeak with me to see if we could get it clarified but was met with in layman's terms "fuck off I want nothing to do with you" so here we are.

As when warning him I had to check myself if it was valid KOS, to which the reporter here kept telling me to read the rules, so I did and it said nothing about it. So I warned him for it.

In my opinion it does not matter at all if the Detective did or did not shoot you, neither does the location of the health station, since we don't have rules that are only valid being in a certain situation or that only Detectives may follow a kos.

However since no where in the rules is stated if destroying the healthstation is a valid kos reasaon or not, I would love if the handling staff member as well as the LT could come to an agreement and add this to the rules.

You don’t need everything added to the rules, the rules are guidelines and logical thinking is allowed. If you destroy a health station then it’s a traitorous act, of the detective doesn’t KOS it then it’s their fault. It also goes under traitor weapon as it’s supposed to be used to heal the innocents so they have an advantage over the traitors, if they don’t enforce that they need to be tested then.you should just destroy it.

rules aren't guidelines men wtf

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The reason they're referred there as guidelines instead of strict laws is so that they're not LOOPHOLED, not for staff to make up their own shit

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042348

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You as a staff member warned and slayed a player for a rule you were unsure about

No I did not. Before I warned him I made sure to triple check the entire rules list. I was unsure, then read the rules to make sure. Afterward I even said, he can come on TS and remove it, as the warn is easily removed. He did not want that.

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you should understand that it was perfectly understandable for him to have killed you under that situation

No, given the context it was not, he waited to kill me after I said "if you want to try and kill me go ahead, I'll beat you and you'll find out I'm innocent for it" and after staring at each other for a good 20 seconds he decides to kill me and he won the engagement, so I asked him via report why, he said it was for the healthstation, he claimed he never saw no detective watching me destroy it and it wasn't his problem

stoutshako wrote:

rules are not set in concrete mistakes happen

This is why I gave him the option to talk to me on TeamSpeak about it, he kept yelling, whining, telling me to read the rules (which I already had) so I linked them to him, and told him to look, that it was not in the valid KOS rules

stoutshako wrote:

what matters is what happened in the situation in game

Yes exactly, he said this stuff to me in game and out of game.

stoutshako wrote:

Now you can keep being "THAT" person who is "I never do anything wrong, it was his fault 100% I'm the one at right here" or you can show some maturity as an adult and admit that you also acted wrongly during the development of the events that lead to this post.

Sorry but who are you to come to this conclusion? It feels like a alt account for the fact you want to put your opinion across and feel very strongly about this, despite being your first post. Have you not read that I'm open to removing the warn, and having the KOSable rules updated and made clear? I used the rules to punish someone, as any admin should do. Where have I shown that I'm not being cooperative? The warn given all my information made available to the players and staff, was valid. I told him if he wished to talk about it on TeamSpeak he could, I have shown nothing but leniency, I just did my job and warned a guy who didn't follow the rules. I don't feel personal about this report nor the player at hand. Nor am I 100% on the warn sticking.

You triple checked the rules but missed the part where it says "a few" of the valid KOS reasons every time.

Then where's the full list of them?

As there should be one.

There doesn't need to be a full list of rules as you go by common sense. If an inno sees someone who isn't the detective shoot and destroy a Health station why the fuck on earth would that not be KOSable?

Also if people tried to make a full list of rules the page would go on forever...

The fact is he had a right to shoot you in this situation regardless.

If the Detective whose health station it was, was present at the time it might make things different as they would shoot you if they saw you shoot it but thats a different thing to argue about.

As said in the rules it says "here are a few:" not "Here are ALL of the valid reasons" otherwise it would also limit the gamemode.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042354

Ngl, haven't read through all of this but I did of the original report.

And: As not ALL rules are listed as staff and players are required to use common sense.

This situation the person who shot CeeZee was right to do so. Destroying a health station is a traitors act and therefor KOSable.

Don't bend this around, because we have all been there with this discussion that all rules should be there but they aren't. So yes I understand that you killed him. Yes, CeeZee I understand that you did warn/slay him although you should have used common sense to see that this wasn't needed. And you should NOT have warned/slayed him.

In anycase a demote request is way too much, a talk and the removal off the warn is enough.

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042435

I was there to witness it and I can say that CeeZee was in the wrong and was very ignorant to the situation. In addition, he has been very cocky with his admin powers. I was in-game with an error skin on without my knowledge and he threatened to ban me 3 times before telling me how to fix.	MegaMowery Offline Senior Boarder Posts: 551 Thanks received: 114 Karma: 148
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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042442

MegaMowery wrote:

I was there to witness it and I can say that CeeZee was in the wrong and was very ignorant to the situation.

In addition, he has been very cocky with his admin powers. I was in-game with an error skin on without my knowledge and he threatened to ban me 3 times before telling me how to fix.

LOL what

I told you to change your skin in the next round or I'll kick you from the game in 30 seconds after round starts, I explained fully it was because you were an error sign to the majority of the server

Where the hell did I threaten to ban you 3 times

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[TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_ 6 years 1 month ago #1042451

Everyone keeps providing fresh new shit but it is a valid reason, in this case however, the DETECTIVE should have said that CeeZee should not be killed. In my own personal experiences, I would have got that detective to tell the server that CeeZee destroyed the HS from the detective's OWN permission.

Before people say "It's T-Baiting" or "It is still KOSable", think of a new staff, no idea about all KOSable reasons and warns somebody for doing that even though they were proven and a detective was ok with it being destroyed. It shows that the rules can confuse people. If the detective said, "Destroy the HS after you use it" then any point after that is RDM as the detective stated they wanted it gone.

I understand why a verbal should have been given to Deimonios but I have not seen ANY mention of that person's RAP Sheet holding any rules. Therefore, CeeZee 'could' have warned him because of the RAP Sheet however if there was no such punishment on the RS then a verbal should have been given. Whoever handles this may want to speak to Deimonios as well as CeeZee (just my own opinion.)

Deimonios, you may want to use the whole template which hopefully somebody provides for you otherwise this report is useless.

As for my final verdict, CeeZee should just get a talking to about it and have the LT bring it up to add it to the VALID KOSABLE REASONS as t-baiting isn't CLEARLY explained and the punishment from Deimonios be removed.

This is all i'm going to say on this report and hope that any more proof regarding this is shown @MegaMowery as witnesses don't really count without proof towards reports and no proof of CeeZee's attitude towards his ignorance is just slandering CeeZee.