TOPIC: [TTT] Demote Request - CeeZee_

Everyone keeps providing fresh new shit but it is a valid reason, in this case however, the DETECTIVE should have said that CeeZee should not be killed. In my own personal experiences, I would have got that detective to tell the server that CeeZee destroyed the HS from the detective's OWN permission.

Before people say "It's T-Baiting" or "It is still KOSable", think of a new staff, no idea about all KOSable reasons and warns somebody for doing that even though they were proven and a detective was ok with it being destroyed. It shows that the rules can confuse people. If the detective said, "Destroy the HS after you use it" then any point after that is RDM as the detective stated they wanted it gone.

I understand why a verbal should have been given to Deimonios but I have not seen ANY mention of that person's RAP Sheet holding any rules. Therefore, CeeZee 'could' have warned him because of the RAP Sheet however if there was no such punishment on the RS then a verbal should have been given. Whoever handles this may want to speak to Deimonios as well as CeeZee (just my own opinion.)

Deimonios, you may want to use the whole template which hopefully somebody provides for you otherwise this report is useless.

As for my final verdict, CeeZee should just get a talking to about it and have the LT bring it up to add it to the VALID KOSABLE REASONS as t-baiting isn't CLEARLY explained and the punishment from Deimonios be removed.

This is all i'm going to say on this report and hope that any more proof regarding this is shown @MegaMowery as witnesses don't really count without proof towards reports and no proof of CeeZee's attitude towards his ignorance is just slandering CeeZee.

Annie Montana wrote:
RAP


Anyways, because this isn't a shitpost, I would agree with what CeeZee has said (for once) - it is a double edged sword to have a Health Station in the open, so I would personally say that destroying it is an act to bring very strong suspicion to someone, and if the Detective has stated not to destroy it, then it would of course be KOSable, however in and of itself, it is not written in the rules, and so is one of the things where it is necessary to apply the idea of "innocent until proven guilty" - The player destroying the HS is doing something which a Traitor will have a lot of reason to do, however an Innocent may also have reason to do so, as CeeZee explained prior, meaning that it is not something which should be deemed proof, and therefore is not technically a KOSable act.

(And if the Detective said they wanted it destroyed, Innocents should, within reason, follow the orders of the Detective, so that is a very obvious situation)

stoutshako wrote:
It's not written anywhere in the rules, which is what I warned him by. I double checked to see if it was. I offered for him to come on to TS and see if we get get clarification.

He slapped me away saying he wanted nothing to do with me, I'm fine with getting the warn removed from him, but it was a fair warn given the information provided in the okay to KOS list, and the detective who placed it was also fine with me destroying it, who WATCHED me destroy his health station that he made because I specifically asked for.

CeeZee wrote:
I would just like to point out collecting and following DNA is not on the list of valid KOS Reasons.