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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244016

With the updates being steamrolled and the player count being boosted for about 5 hours how long could this last? The items will dwindle once again with another deserted server on the bottom of the leaderboards. Updates like these averaged 60+ players at a time. This along with no option such as ASCA to give a real way for new players to get items into their hands without having to pay real money for these items. Without at least a temporary way to get these items by completing challenges, quests, ect. players will be unable to find a reason to pay for boosters. Zarp has lived long past it's expected due date even seeing fewer than 10 players on average for almost a year only to be brought back after a series of old players were unbanned/decided to come back.

The staffing now is worse than ever in my opinion from a member standpoint and not being a mindless robot only playing to gain staff by activity and being a kiss ass to them shows deeply within the wounds of Zarp. I cannot name more than 5 staff members at this point who really want to better the server rather than sitting in TS, banning a few players, and justifying their actions to members who break rules only to re perm them because they did not learn their lesson. The staff does not hold themselves accountable, not now and they will never when nobody speaks out against it. Maybe if the bans were not so harsh or the updates now are just a reskin from 2016. Maybe it is because of how painfully long a new map is taking.

Looking at someone like Patrick who left Zarp and very understandably to get payed for making some of the best maps Gmod has ever seen. He now works for a Star Wars RP server that is doing extremely well. What would be Zarp now if he was paid? What would zarp be like if the staff cared more about the server rather than a rank? What would Zarp be if it was fair, unique, and just as enjoyable as it was 3+ years ago? Nobody right now is asking these questions and the people who do are put on microscopes and with a minor slip up comes a ban.

The players who came back lost the little hope they had by now and I feel like I am the only non staff members who is not brand new who plays every single day. I could be playing different games with my friends yet I choose to play Zarp over almost any other game right now. People really should be asking the question of what would Zarp look like if poor decisions were never made and how we can fix these issues. The true players know exactly why the server died yet nothing has been done to fix it. When an old player looks at the new update or booster deal they think and for good reason that it is a cash grab and I cannot disagree with that statement.

Players are also leaving not just because of the recycled updates or the same map on both servers with a low possibility of a new one coming out within the next month when we wanted it months ago but they are leaving due to the staff being biased, corrupt, and far too harsh. This is not pleading mercy for jusu he should not be unbanned for a very long time and he himself does not care but look at someone like Na1 or Jaden, they are 2 players who played all the time and loved the server only to leave with a bad taste of the staff team and the state of the server. I could name hundreds of players like this but these are the very recent ones.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244018

Mate, shut your fucking mouth and stop begging broccoli to comeback help you fight jamie because your friends decided to leave you. :D
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244021

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Mate, shut your fucking mouth and stop begging broccoli to comeback help you fight jamie because your friends decided to leave you. :D
I said they should come back so we can take the number 1 spot with ease rather than letting OI sit there! Please post real constructive posts because you have played on Zarp for maybe 1 month in total, lost 20 evos, and a plethora of other suits and still having the audacity to talk shit. I have said this before and I will say it again. Please get a real member from your gang literally any other member because every single one is better than you. You are by far one of the saddest and worst players to ever touch a keyboard with 1000ms reaction time and use even worse excuses. Anyone in your gang I would be more than okay to talk shit but you are by far the least capable of doing so, your grammar is terrible, along with your skills and originality of your comebacks. You say I am begging yet I ask members to come back to the server with a purpose rather than saying "hey come back man we miss you!" though I said to both PL and Broc, come back with our gang and let's take the top 3 spots on the leaderboard. I know your brain is painfully incapable of reaching these conclusions and I show contempt for you.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244022

I personally feel slightly hurt that you think the updates are being "steamrolled", and I'm sure Chute would think the same. We're working hard to bring updates that people want, taking into consideration a load of ideas put forward by you and many other members of the community. These updates, no matter how "small" they may seem to you, still take a lot of time for one or two people to code and then test, fixing bugs, making backend improvements and trying hard to keep on top of all the new suggestions along the way as well whilst managing the community as a whole at the same time. ZARP is certainly not dying, and we still have a metric shit ton of ideas to implement, especially ones which we're just waiting on some final fixes on the map from EMP on. We're hoping to bring out an absolutely amazing update this summer which a lot of time and effort has gone into in terms of planning and implementation, and we've already laid out our plans for more gameplay features beyond that which EMP has already started to put together into the map.

What you've mentioned about Patrick is also not true. Patrick was offered payment for what he did and he decided he didn't want anything more than the games that he was being given by Chute. He moved on to a SWRP server because he wanted to work on something other than DarkRP/Downtown maps, which is understandable, and we're still on good terms with him.

If you have issues with specific staff members, feel free to report them with sufficient evidence. You make these complaints against staff but I am yet to see a report against anyone. Yes, Jaden may have appealed a ban, but you and others have not once complained properly about the staff members to anyone on the Lead Team or approached myself, Chute or Jim_Jam with these complaints/concerns if you don't feel comfortable sharing them on the forums or if you feel as though Lead Team members may be biased in any way at all (note the only denied SSRP report this month is this obvious troll from Jaden: zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/report-ab...demote-request-onion).

I'm personally trying my absolute hardest to keep on top of all of this, but these are all of the things that this requires:
  • Keeping on top of updates (code wise)
  • Running the community council and keeping on top of suggestions
  • Coming up with ideas for updates (working on top of some CC suggestions)
  • Managing the community as a whole, including drama which has stemmed from people such as Jusu and Na1 recently

On top of all of this, I am also trying my best to bring events and more community interaction and transparency in the form of my Twitch streams, where I do a shit load of giveaways out of my own inventory, run events on the server to keep people entertained and do my best to interact with members of the community and answer their questions on anything, including our plans and my thoughts on any specific situations (where it doesn't break NDA/TOU of course).

The only people working on updates are myself, Chute and EMP, with EMP working on the map at the moment and I've been trying to deal with the immense amount of drama and toxicity that has come up whilst also having end of year exams for college this week, which I've been able to do absolutely zero revision or work for because of all of this. All of this drama, harassment from certain people and extra work that I have is really not great following a particularly rough breakup recently. Please try to put yourself into our shoes and think about what steps you've taken to address these complaints before you put them across in the "ZARP is dying" and "CM Team don't care" light.

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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244023

I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244030

TheXnator wrote:
I personally feel slightly hurt that you think the updates are being "steamrolled", and I'm sure Chute would think the same. We're working hard to bring updates that people want, taking into consideration a load of ideas put forward by you and many other members of the community. These updates, no matter how "small" they may seem to you, still take a lot of time for one or two people to code and then test, fixing bugs, making backend improvements and trying hard to keep on top of all the new suggestions along the way as well whilst managing the community as a whole at the same time. ZARP is certainly not dying, and we still have a metric shit ton of ideas to implement, especially ones which we're just waiting on some final fixes on the map from EMP on. We're hoping to bring out an absolutely amazing update this summer which a lot of time and effort has gone into in terms of planning and implementation, and we've already laid out our plans for more gameplay features beyond that which EMP has already started to put together into the map.

What you've mentioned about Patrick is also not true. Patrick was offered payment for what he did and he decided he didn't want anything more than the games that he was being given by Chute. He moved on to a SWRP server because he wanted to work on something other than DarkRP/Downtown maps, which is understandable, and we're still on good terms with him.

If you have issues with specific staff members, feel free to report them with sufficient evidence. You make these complaints against staff but I am yet to see a report against anyone. Yes, Jaden may have appealed a ban, but you and others have not once complained properly about the staff members to anyone on the Lead Team or approached myself, Chute or Jim_Jam with these complaints/concerns if you don't feel comfortable sharing them on the forums or if you feel as though Lead Team members may be biased in any way at all (note the only denied SSRP report this month is this obvious troll from Jaden: zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/report-ab...demote-request-onion).

I'm personally trying my absolute hardest to keep on top of all of this, but these are all of the things that this requires:
  • Keeping on top of updates (code wise)
  • Running the community council and keeping on top of suggestions
  • Coming up with ideas for updates (working on top of some CC suggestions)
  • Managing the community as a whole, including drama which has stemmed from people such as Jusu and Na1 recently

On top of all of this, I am also trying my best to bring events and more community interaction and transparency in the form of my Twitch streams, where I do a shit load of giveaways out of my own inventory, run events on the server to keep people entertained and do my best to interact with members of the community and answer their questions on anything, including our plans and my thoughts on any specific situations (where it doesn't break NDA/TOU of course).

The only people working on updates are myself, Chute and EMP, with EMP working on the map at the moment and I've been trying to deal with the immense amount of drama and toxicity that has come up whilst also having end of year exams for college this week, which I've been able to do absolutely zero revision or work for because of all of this. All of this drama, harassment from certain people and extra work that I have is really not great following a particularly rough breakup recently. Please try to put yourself into our shoes and think about what steps you've taken to address these complaints before you put them across in the "ZARP is dying" and "CM Team don't care" light.

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First off thank you for what you said about Patrick I did not know this and I apologize for getting that part incorrect. Second off I understand the work is there, it is a lot of work for only a few people I get that. I never said that the CM team does not care they have not in the past let's be clear on that. Things as of right now to me and to a lot of other people in the community believe these efforts and resources aren't going to things everyone wants. I do understand that the items take time to code but the same format has been used a lot. You cannot say with a straight face that the server is not dying looking right now both S1 and S3 have a combined 28 players on. Late at night years back, 28 players would be on 1 server alone. It is undoubtedly dying. With efforts being pushed for updates players would like to see a different scenery with updates, ways for everyone to be involved, and ways other than competing in a hitman event but ways for everyone to get along. I know you do not enjoy the toxic atmosphere Zarp has had in its history but in my opinion, there should be ways to bring the player base together as it is strongly split apart. The updates seem small to me and a large number of other players and although it takes a lot of work people want to see more. I am not a coder and I applaud you for working for Zarp and I have a lot of respect for you when it comes to something like that. When it comes to me or others not making full reports on staff members it is because of the same reason with jadens outcome. The belief and trust are always in the staff member and unless it is a vulgar and or extreme case of violation of code it is normally denied or hardly treated. As I have said too members now who are treated unfairly or too harsh just simply cannot care anymore, their ban appeals get denied so why make a staff report? The map has taken a very long time and it should be expected that members like myself are frustrated. In the real world, people who need something do not expect the person that can provide to say "well it is just extremely hard" or "there aren't a lot people helping we cannot do anything about it." Normally these roadblocks come with quick solutions now I do understand that finding another Xnator Emp or Chute now is harder than ever but working to find a good coder and another good mapper should be a top priority. You guys are overworked and need more help to more effectively take care of something like Zarp and it is proven to be like that. Looking at old staff lists, meeting outcomes, and LT members at that time. I can fully understand why it is taking so long to find skilled members but I believe some more searching could be done.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244032

Jordz wrote:
I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?
You sincerely believe that if suits were never added to Zarp that it would still be alive? You are gravely mistaken it is what keeps me on the server every day. Hoverboards on the other hand I can agree with. Suits have made a HUGE improvement to Zarp and to Gmod in general it is unique and you cannot find another game or server like Zarp and you never will.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244033

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Mate, shut your fucking mouth and stop begging broccoli to comeback help you fight jamie because your friends decided to leave you. :D

last time i saw jamie on was yesterday, other than that i havent seen him in months
He is on a lot when action is around. He is highly skilled and I see him as one of the best players on the server with his ability to change with metas and his large inventory.
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Jordz wrote:
I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?

Removing destroyable props would remove a massive and unique feature to zarp.
The only thing we can do with new players is rely on the older or richer players to not be assholes, and instead educate them or give them items, printers or other things to help them out, because from my experience, once i explain the server to new players, I never see them again.
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I would also like to mention that the phsygunning of a printer rack was accepted and took 3 days to implement that a FAadmin slider setting the value from 0-1.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244038

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Jordz wrote:
I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?
You sincerely believe that if suits were never added to Zarp that it would still be alive? You are gravely mistaken it is what keeps me on the server every day. Hoverboards on the other hand I can agree with. Suits have made a HUGE improvement to Zarp and to Gmod in general it is unique and you cannot find another game or server like Zarp and you never will.

I don't think I sounded the way I should have, Although the suits are amazing and we all love them however imagine you were a new player joining the server and everytime you get raided it's always suits. So in the long run it has just caused issues with always adding more suits ever since the Juggernut Suit was added.
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Jordz wrote:
I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?

Removing destroyable props would remove a massive and unique feature to zarp.
The only thing we can do with new players is rely on the older or richer players to not be assholes, and instead educate them or give them items, printers or other things to help them out, because from my experience, once i explain the server to new players, I never see them again.
Completely agree with you plus the hacking issue NEEDS to be addressed a cheat can be put into place with ease of not being detected along with changing a few things by yourself with citizen can make it undetectable upon joining.
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I personally feel slightly hurt that you think the updates are being "steamrolled", and I'm sure Chute would think the same. We're working hard to bring updates that people want, taking into consideration a load of ideas put forward by you and many other members of the community. These updates, no matter how "small" they may seem to you, still take a lot of time for one or two people to code and then test, fixing bugs, making backend improvements and trying hard to keep on top of all the new suggestions along the way as well whilst managing the community as a whole at the same time. ZARP is certainly not dying, and we still have a metric shit ton of ideas to implement, especially ones which we're just waiting on some final fixes on the map from EMP on. We're hoping to bring out an absolutely amazing update this summer which a lot of time and effort has gone into in terms of planning and implementation, and we've already laid out our plans for more gameplay features beyond that which EMP has already started to put together into the map.

What you've mentioned about Patrick is also not true. Patrick was offered payment for what he did and he decided he didn't want anything more than the games that he was being given by Chute. He moved on to a SWRP server because he wanted to work on something other than DarkRP/Downtown maps, which is understandable, and we're still on good terms with him.

If you have issues with specific staff members, feel free to report them with sufficient evidence. You make these complaints against staff but I am yet to see a report against anyone. Yes, Jaden may have appealed a ban, but you and others have not once complained properly about the staff members to anyone on the Lead Team or approached myself, Chute or Jim_Jam with these complaints/concerns if you don't feel comfortable sharing them on the forums or if you feel as though Lead Team members may be biased in any way at all (note the only denied SSRP report this month is this obvious troll from Jaden: zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/report-ab...demote-request-onion).

I'm personally trying my absolute hardest to keep on top of all of this, but these are all of the things that this requires:
  • Keeping on top of updates (code wise)
  • Running the community council and keeping on top of suggestions
  • Coming up with ideas for updates (working on top of some CC suggestions)
  • Managing the community as a whole, including drama which has stemmed from people such as Jusu and Na1 recently

On top of all of this, I am also trying my best to bring events and more community interaction and transparency in the form of my Twitch streams, where I do a shit load of giveaways out of my own inventory, run events on the server to keep people entertained and do my best to interact with members of the community and answer their questions on anything, including our plans and my thoughts on any specific situations (where it doesn't break NDA/TOU of course).

The only people working on updates are myself, Chute and EMP, with EMP working on the map at the moment and I've been trying to deal with the immense amount of drama and toxicity that has come up whilst also having end of year exams for college this week, which I've been able to do absolutely zero revision or work for because of all of this. All of this drama, harassment from certain people and extra work that I have is really not great following a particularly rough breakup recently. Please try to put yourself into our shoes and think about what steps you've taken to address these complaints before you put them across in the "ZARP is dying" and "CM Team don't care" light.

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First off thank you for what you said about Patrick I did not know this and I apologize for getting that part incorrect. Second off I understand the work is there, it is a lot of work for only a few people I get that. I never said that the CM team does not care they have not in the past let's be clear on that. Things as of right now to me and to a lot of other people in the community believe these efforts and resources aren't going to things everyone wants. I do understand that the items take time to code but the same format has been used a lot. You cannot say with a straight face that the server is not dying looking right now both S1 and S3 have a combined 28 players on. Late at night years back, 28 players would be on 1 server alone. It is undoubtedly dying. With efforts being pushed for updates players would like to see a different scenery with updates, ways for everyone to be involved, and ways other than competing in a hitman event but ways for everyone to get along. I know you do not enjoy the toxic atmosphere Zarp has had in its history but in my opinion, there should be ways to bring the player base together as it is strongly split apart. The updates seem small to me and a large number of other players and although it takes a lot of work people want to see more. I am not a coder and I applaud you for working for Zarp and I have a lot of respect for you when it comes to something like that. When it comes to me or others not making full reports on staff members it is because of the same reason with jadens outcome. The belief and trust are always in the staff member and unless it is a vulgar and or extreme case of violation of code it is normally denied or hardly treated. As I have said too members now who are treated unfairly or too harsh just simply cannot care anymore, their ban appeals get denied so why make a staff report? The map has taken a very long time and it should be expected that members like myself are frustrated. In the real world, people who need something do not expect the person that can provide to say "well it is just extremely hard" or "there aren't a lot people helping we cannot do anything about it." Normally these roadblocks come with quick solutions now I do understand that finding another Xnator Emp or Chute now is harder than ever but working to find a good coder and another good mapper should be a top priority. You guys are overworked and need more help to more effectively take care of something like Zarp and it is proven to be like that. Looking at old staff lists, meeting outcomes, and LT members at that time. I can fully understand why it is taking so long to find skilled members but I believe some more searching could be done.
I would also like to mention I have not seen much if not anything from Jim_Jam, Chute is also very busy and he has been with Zarp its entire life span and it makes sense that he has been slower with replies and doing things. If I were chute I would have left Zarp a long time ago and I praise him for sticking around.
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Jordz wrote:
Carson wrote:
Jordz wrote:
I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?
You sincerely believe that if suits were never added to Zarp that it would still be alive? You are gravely mistaken it is what keeps me on the server every day. Hoverboards on the other hand I can agree with. Suits have made a HUGE improvement to Zarp and to Gmod in general it is unique and you cannot find another game or server like Zarp and you never will.

I don't think I sounded the way I should have, Although the suits are amazing and we all love them however imagine you were a new player joining the server and everytime you get raided it's always suits. So in the long run it has just caused issues with always adding more suits ever since the Juggernut Suit was added.

either this happens very rarely or this happens common and people are pricks or they get raided and then the raiders give them the printers, idk either those 3 happen
Correct I hardly see new players getting raided and when I do and if that player is using a suit to raid I proudly come in and stop it. I will also "raid" a base only to run in and to drop my VIP printers down.
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I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?

Removing destroyable props would remove a massive and unique feature to zarp.
The only thing we can do with new players is rely on the older or richer players to not be assholes, and instead educate them or give them items, printers or other things to help them out, because from my experience, once i explain the server to new players, I never see them again.
Completely agree with you plus the hacking issue NEEDS to be addressed a cheat can be put into place with ease of not being detected along with changing a few things by yourself with citizen can make it undetectable upon joining.

Too tired to address everything right now, but Chute is working hard on this at the moment, even alongside the huge updates he's working on
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244044

TheXnator wrote:
Carson wrote:
Black Man wrote:
Jordz wrote:
I agree with what you are saying however what I think should be asked is what made players leave and what would make them return.

From my prospective, Suits & HOOVERBOARDS should never have been added, Theyre just no point and it's made no improvment or they've been too much added. From a new player joining it's really hard to make money enough to have fun; Maybe suggest to remove explosive thing to props so it invovles basing?

Removing destroyable props would remove a massive and unique feature to zarp.
The only thing we can do with new players is rely on the older or richer players to not be assholes, and instead educate them or give them items, printers or other things to help them out, because from my experience, once i explain the server to new players, I never see them again.
Completely agree with you plus the hacking issue NEEDS to be addressed a cheat can be put into place with ease of not being detected along with changing a few things by yourself with citizen can make it undetectable upon joining.

Too tired to address everything right now, but Chute is working hard on this at the moment, even alongside the huge updates he's working on
Feel more than free to take some time to make a reply when you are refreshed and ready. Coherent civil responses are what make things change for the better. I have heard the huge update thing before as of the 2019 summer update.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244060

the core issues with the server are not the updates, the way I see it updates are made to retain OLD players only. New players are not able to participate in the updates a majority of the time in almost any way. The other core issue is the fact that having money = power on the server, a new player could NEVER raid/defend a base so they have 0 way to make money other than RNG type things like events and giveaways. I'm not sure how this could be solved seeing as the server is very PVP oriented. One way I could see change is adding more ways to make money that can't be interrupted or completely destroyed by players with more capital, at least level the playing field when it comes to fighting it out over money. Maybe a certain area to base where no explosives are allowed or certain jobs that can only go to one district. Obviously these are of the top of my head but I think with a bit more thought and creativity we could definitely make the fresh experience more palatable.
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I sometimes question your staffing ability for example:
When in game your were shouting "jugger". I asked you what it meant and you said it is a Canadian word for the n-word

If you want staff again you really need to get your act together.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244063

I think people are forgetting that in order to make it fun again, We need more new players as well as old. The "old" playercount has gone and in order to get new players and make them stay; Something needs to be done.
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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244067

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Opinions (do not lock) 4 years 4 months ago #1244077

Hardly the staff teams fault it's more likely the egotistical, elitist trash talking players that make it unbrearable to play
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