TOPIC: SSRP Suggestion - Legacy Server

Aspect wrote: that convinces us to accept your suggestion thank for input

Tamaninja wrote: You're so wrong, me and so many people from BiB had so much fun for weeks during the summer and after it too with basing, raiding and defending, it did get boring after a while but it was most certainly two months of nonstop gang rivalry that goes down in history as one of best fun moments of mine in ZARP for someone who started in 2015.

Clarky wrote: tama was saying it was fun, even if it was repetitive

SorIe wrote: shut up idiot god sorle always have to ruin everything

Rick Johnson wrote:
Chute is a hypocrite if he ever said that. Why would he make 3 different SSRP servers then in the first place?

Edit: If a server is bringing in more players to the community, this won't be a problem. the SSRP 2 & 3 servers caused some serious downfalls for the SSRP 1 server.

Rick Johnson wrote:
You have completely misunderstood the point of this if you think the goal of this server is to solely migrate players back to Legacy. While that's helpful for the health of the server: The goal is also bringing in more players. The game mode back then was superb and would bring in pure and new players now just like it did then. If you could leave any argument to why not then please, I'm listening.

Clarky wrote:
All thanks to Azgeda

This is exactly like perp and that is probably why it will never happen you are creating something to live in the glory of something else. Most of the time that doesn't work and you pulling the excuse of "why don't you do it" its because it would take ages getting back to the "good old days".

Really I wouldn't mind disabling some items on certain days and seeing how that goes. Heck I wouldn't even mind disabling it on maybe server 2 but you would have to say what you would like otherwise making a whole new server is an annoying and time-consuming and generally won't do what you think it will for the community.

DEADMONSTOR wrote: I double dog dare you!

DEADMONSTOR wrote:
Lemme expand upon this as some people take this as we don't want to do this. You have to realize that going down this route is going to take a lot of time and I would like to try out other suggestions and ideas before I jump right into something that I don't even know will work out in the end. That is why I suggested something that if liked we could jump on and maybe start a leagcy server if people like the experiments that would have been done.

I am honested conflicted if I want to do this as people say it is going to instantly revive the server which I really do doubt but let's have a discussion first

Ngl the UI design does look pretty bad though & im not trying to say ZARP's look bad, that is more tidied up and looks neater in comparison to the one you suggested.

Clarky wrote:
Some parts will be revamped, such as gangs. Is there more things needing chance?

I have decided to share a snippet out of the google document I use to refer from (for good reason), to shed some light on what I'm working on, mostly due to people thinking this will be an exact copy of Zarp As you see a lot of things are very different from Zarp:

Gangs tab.
The current design is redone completely. Goal is to recreate the following design (including the icons) and integrate it with the Interface (https://imgur.com/a/YUWuCdD). As seen from the reference: There are a ton of features for the player manage their gang with, obviously the gang Owner gets the vital powers but he can also promote officers to kick/invite people. It also comes with as a leaderboards tab that is based on which gang has the highest experience. The things left out from the imgur reference are the gang loot system and the ‘Pending Applications’ button. Instead of having gang loot, you gain Gang experience for your gang by collecting money from money printers, the experienced gained is based on how much money you collect. There is a bar on the bottom displaying how you are progressing, as well as a x/y displaying the exact numbers. Ability to add further upgrades is done with ease using the config.


Once your gang levels up (automatically once enough experience is achieved), all gang participants can enjoy new benefits. You access those benefits by interacting with a Gang NPC (Mob boss Playermodel). There you can buy Special Weapons (special weapons take 30 seconds to holster back into the inventory and can only be acquired from the Gang NPC or other players). If your gang is level 5, then that means you can buy a m9k_millkor with $500k cash. Further configuration can be done to add more content.
A limit to how many gang members a gang can partake is limited to 20 people for the time being.
Gang header: All gang members have a sign above them, using the theme color from the Interface; displaying what gang they currently are partaking in taken from reference: (https://imgur.com/a/cnZyw1F)

Explosives.
As mentioned before with the m9k_millkor, plans to implement explosives that work organically with props.

A weight system to automatically calculate how strong a prop should be is ideal; otherwise its Health could be manually adjusted with either a graphical tool-gun, or done with a console command (lz_setprophealth ‘prop’ ‘amount’)

Narexa wrote:
I'm answering again since I feel like the last time I didn't answer it properly.

It does not matter if players from today doesn't come on and play. likely that some do for the same reason a lot of people moved back to 07-scape and abandoning their Rs3 accounts completely.

The focus should be on gameplay, not content. Making it interesting, dynamic and include lots of grinding. I don't know if Chute got lucky but they were able to capture an era where all of these things would fit really nicely. This is what matters, not if someone who plays another version of the server has built an arsenal of suits to come on.

Aspect wrote:
I completely understand and it sounded like I was against the idea but I've been for a server like this for a long time, the only worry I had is if others wanted it and clearly they do so I'm all for it however, I'm just very interested in what will happen to the server in the future but I've seen some nice idea's on this post so great work buddy.

Aspect wrote:
I think you misunderstood me as well. I'm not saying the new server should & will migrate players to Legacy, I'm just saying that those players who choose Legacy > SSRP might see no reason to continue playing on the Legacy servers after a certain time has passed, and consequently move back to SSRP, leaving little to no players left on the Legacy server.

As for bringing in new players, there's no real way to prove that will work out as well as you think it will. Keep in mind most of these "legacy" server ideas are based on old memories, and while we might've enjoyed the servers back then, it's not a definite chance that we will now. In fact, say we do enjoy the nostalgic nature of the server and we find enjoyment in playing it - whose to say new players will?

I don't know, most of the things I come up with in these discussions are just things that come of the top of my head, but most of the arguments still stand quite strongly; there's really no way of knowing that these "legacy" servers will do a better job of attracting players than our current SSRP servers.

Also, I'm not directly opposing your ideas and concepts, that's something I want to clarify. I'm just trying to think of things you might want to account for and improve on- after all, we would want what is best for the server.

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If some of the stuff I just wrote isn't grammatically correct or doesn't make sense, I just want to note that I'm drunk and that's probably why lol

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Rick Johnson wrote:
I see your points but they don't really make any sense to me. You could say the same thing about all servers; how do we know if they will bring in players? There's always going to be a risk element with all the time, effort invested into things like these. But how do we know they wouldn't have worked if we never tried?

And yes there is a way to know how well it will do to a large extent. I have aimed to recreate Zarp 2016 that had a lot of popularity. The game was interesting, had lots of dynamic mechanics and so on. But again, we can't know if we don't try it.

I have taken measurements, by closely studying by taking notes of the game mode, talked to over 100 people about what they found joy and made sure it's not nostalgia based. There is also a lot of content to explore that is exclusive and not available on the current Zarp servers.

RealDenis wrote:
Yes I have used that as a base for this project and I have a license for it. It is a well written add-on and speeds up a lot of things, so I am not sure who you're trying to fool by being a smart-ass.

Aspect wrote: seems like I touched a nerve relax bro

If you have a license for it then I see no issue with what ur doing but I'm not a fuckin oracle and knowing the gmod community people just steal all too often no need to get so defensive