TOPIC: [deathrun] Remove leech rule

box_ wrote: Actually, people who are walking, are not leeching, if you aren't bhopping doesn't make you a leecher, leeching is where you are PURPOSELY letting others do a trap, or PURPOSELY waiting at a trap/area with intent, new players who are normally walking are NOT leeching

Newdude wrote: Jesus Christ a I did not say a person doesn't have to bhop to player Deathrun, what I am saying is that a player can walk or bhop at the same pace as a slow player. It is quite hard to tell the difference between a slow player and a leecher. You guys just do not take these facts into consideration.
If I joined the server on an alt account that was a low level and decided to move at the same pace of a slow player with the intention of leeching, you're telling me that you'd be able to tell?

Mico wrote: People don't understand leeching Micky, let them be

Mico wrote: You're telling me that walking is automatically leeching too? walking isn't leeching. walking is far from leeching as in leeching is purposely letting people bait traps for you. and walking shouldn't be classified as leeching since it's what is supposed to happen in deathrun. bhopping is just a part of deathrun that you could use if you want more fun.

Newdude wrote: You are so fucking controversial, Newdude, i have no clue whether you are now against this, or with this suggestion.

Ashur wrote: i'm not with this suggestion, i'm just explaining what leeching is as it seems that the rule is very unclear to others.

Newdude wrote: So you're telling me if I purposely moved at a slow pace to avoid baiting traps, it would not be leeching?
Honestly you really need to think about what you're saying. You do not have to be stationary or afk to leech, you do not have to wait at an activated trap to leech. Leeching can be done in many different ways and that is the point going over your heads.

Mico wrote: deathrun doesn't even require bhopping and you can still bait traps without jumping or without bhopping. deathrun started off without bhops. as i said bhop is just there for fun. i wanna know why walking should be classified as leeching. you can still bait traps without any autohop.

All in saying is you have a delay round rule for a reason why the fuck would u need another one for them being semi afk as well which is practically what players do when leeching is just wait in a safe place to get the points or exp if they keep doing this multiple round or do it when let's say there is only a couple runners then it's clearly leeching however you can simply categories it amongst with the delaying rule tbh it's that simple but currently it the servers state now almost every round is won by the runners from what I have seen personally and with many players still alive and only 1 person at the end does that mean that they leeches due to them being slow? The answer is no so this rule isn't even remotely accurate and shouldn't belong in the rules

And for valid examples of this was why the map Minecraft pyramid was removed a couple of times because simply it was full of leechers farming the betting system as people wouldn't go through the 50/50 portals and would wait in the safe area of spawn for points however you can't warn or punish that many players as they all assumed it was normal as staff did this aswell at the time

Leeching should never of even 're surfaced onto the server rules as it can be easily worked around and loopholed and receiving a warning for it is useless as if you give them a verbal chance in chat they will either move or continue the DELAY meaning they should just be warned for delaying

Not that difficult

Newdude wrote: You're really not reading what I have said. "If I joined the server on an alt account that was a low level and decided to move at the same pace of a slow player with the intention of leeching, you're telling me that you'd be able to tell?" What are you even going on about with bhopping? I suggest reading over the points I have stated closely.

Mico wrote: my point is that walking is the official intent of deathrun and you can bait traps while walking easily. that's why it shouldn't be classified as leeching.

A Good Pianist wrote: If I was still head admin, this would never of been re-added

Mico wrote:
If it had it's old leadership and since we did also have dead monstor working purely on deathrun I mean the server probably would of made it big time.. shame really that the work we did for time has just disappeared as they are just 're adding shit that was removed for massive reasons without even understanding why or the effects

The delaying rule states that holding up the round as the last player is intentionally delaying the round for others by just waiting. An example of this is going near the end and just waiting there looking at the deaths.

The Leeching rule states that people must be trying to complete the map without waiting behind others in one place. The example i'll use is from Atomic Warfare. A runner is in stage 4 and is nearly at the end. The Leecher is staying around stage 1 waiting for them to finish.To Leech, you don't have to stay in one place. You can be running around stage 1 but it is still leeching. If that person then moves onto the next stage and the stage after that and the other runner is at the end then it is not leeching anymore as they are moving from place to place getting to the end.

Newdude wrote: You do realise that bhopping has always been apart of most if not all source games, there does not need to be autohop to bhop on a server. Deathrun is a game mode that is notorious for bhopping not walking. Prior to Garry's mod being released, there was bhopping in other source games such as Half life, which transferred over to Garry's mod.

Mico wrote: deathrun servers don't always have bhop and the deathrun gamemode itself was not made to bhop. it was just added to the servers of deathrun just to add a bit of fun. in gmod we have alot of servers for bhopping and that's literally the only gamemode that should ever have autohop.

Annie Montana wrote: Well you've just fucked yourself there. Where in the rules does it say that standing in one place means you're leeching?
Like I have said before if you guys would read the input that I contributed, leeching can be done in more ways that one.
Let's use a player speedrunning for example, if a new player is on stage 1 and a more experienced player is on stage 4, would the new player be leeching and be punished for his lack of skills?

Mico wrote:
You read it wrong. If you stay in one place literally avoiding the next few traps while someone is alive past them it is leeching. If you are going to the next stage being slow about it, it's not leeching.

Newdude wrote: Honestly... You really do not understand what I am saying. (BHOP HAS ALWAYS BEEN A PART OF ALL GAMEMODES ON GARRY'S MOD) just because a server is not auto hop it does not mean that the server is not made for bhopping. There are a few bhop servers that do not use auto hop, would those servers not be made for bhopping?

Annie Montana wrote: Alright so if a player went afk for a valid reason as a runner on the 1st stage and came back later that round and player is on stage 4, would that be leeching?