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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024949

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

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dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Clarky wrote:

You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!!im fucking with you btw), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?

That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.

If my experiences with 95% of other people, including higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait ANOTHER week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle

While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.

Yeah, the only interaction, when I said "N i b b a" in a friendly, contextual manor, not in a loophole way, not in a racist manor either. When you put "racism" down, it makes people assume I've come on the server shouted "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** " and then left.

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was this that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.

dingofetch wrote:

I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?

Because I, a regular user, wanted to know what was so bad about what I said, or if you heard the wrong thing? Like ANY admin/mod should do? Is being able to explain why you did a punishment to a user seen as an extra step now?

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, everyone else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the only regular staff member with this opinion [that I'm aware of], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.

He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee, so why should punishment truly be necessary in someone who clearly just needs a chance to adjust to the recently-adjusted policy?

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024952

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Clarky wrote:

You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!!im fucking with you btw), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?

That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.

If my experiences with 95% of other people, including higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait ANOTHER week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle

While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.

Yeah, the only interaction, when I said "N i b b a" in a friendly, contextual manor, not in a loophole way, not in a racist manor either. When you put "racism" down, it makes people assume I've come on the server shouted "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** " and then left.

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was this that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.

dingofetch wrote:

I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?

Because I, a regular user, wanted to know what was so bad about what I said, or if you heard the wrong thing? Like ANY admin/mod should do? Is being able to explain why you did a punishment to a user seen as an extra step now?

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, everyone else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the only regular staff member with this opinion [that I'm aware of], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.

He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee.

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

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See I haven't even ripped anything of yours, nor have I even tried, but from what I've seen on your end, you have a really stuck up and snarky attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if almost everybody found it to be annoying.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024954

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Clarky wrote:

You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!!im fucking with you btw), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?

That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.

If my experiences with 95% of other people, including higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait ANOTHER week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle

While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.

Yeah, the only interaction, when I said "N i b b a" in a friendly, contextual manor, not in a loophole way, not in a racist manor either. When you put "racism" down, it makes people assume I've come on the server shouted "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** " and then left.

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was this that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.

dingofetch wrote:

I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?

Because I, a regular user, wanted to know what was so bad about what I said, or if you heard the wrong thing? Like ANY admin/mod should do? Is being able to explain why you did a punishment to a user seen as an extra step now?

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, everyone else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the only regular staff member with this opinion [that I'm aware of], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.

He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee.

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

No, staff members are SUPPOSED TO have freedom over their punishments to a reasonable extent, so could you please direct me to the LT member that spoke to you about being too lenient for unintentional racism? I'd like a "word" with them about their obvious lack of experience and basic knowledge regarding punishments.

You are in no way forced to punish for racism in any situation. Obviously it's advised in a large portion of cases, however there are very clear incidents where exceptions can be made and verbal warnings will settle, and if you had any reasonable judgement skills outside of your one-sided skewed perspective, you'd realise this is evidently such an incident.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024956

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Clarky wrote:

You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!!im fucking with you btw), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?

That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.

If my experiences with 95% of other people, including higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait ANOTHER week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle

While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.

Yeah, the only interaction, when I said "N i b b a" in a friendly, contextual manor, not in a loophole way, not in a racist manor either. When you put "racism" down, it makes people assume I've come on the server shouted "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** " and then left.

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was this that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.

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I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?

Because I, a regular user, wanted to know what was so bad about what I said, or if you heard the wrong thing? Like ANY admin/mod should do? Is being able to explain why you did a punishment to a user seen as an extra step now?

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, everyone else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the only regular staff member with this opinion [that I'm aware of], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.

He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee.

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Warnings may be removed when the staff member who gave it says it was resolved by a verbal talk with the user. In this case, you both should have had a talk about this. And after resolving the issue that it wasn't a malicious intent it should of gotten removed, but as this didnt happen or you applied the "Admin's rule is final" that up to you.

IMO it should of gotten resolved with a verbal talk about it.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024958

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

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dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Clarky wrote:

You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!!im fucking with you btw), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?

That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.

If my experiences with 95% of other people, including higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait ANOTHER week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle

While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.

Yeah, the only interaction, when I said "N i b b a" in a friendly, contextual manor, not in a loophole way, not in a racist manor either. When you put "racism" down, it makes people assume I've come on the server shouted "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** " and then left.

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was this that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.

dingofetch wrote:

I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?

Because I, a regular user, wanted to know what was so bad about what I said, or if you heard the wrong thing? Like ANY admin/mod should do? Is being able to explain why you did a punishment to a user seen as an extra step now?

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, everyone else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the only regular staff member with this opinion [that I'm aware of], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.

He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee.

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

No, staff members are SUPPOSED TO have freedom over their punishments to a reasonable extent, so could you please direct me to the LT member that spoke to you about being too lenient for unintentional racism? I'd like a "word" with them about their obvious lack of experience and basic knowledge regarding punishments.

You are in no way forced to punish for racism in any situations. Obviously it's advised in most cases, however there are very clear incidents where exceptions can be made and verbal warnings will settle, and if you had any reasonable judgement skills outside of your one-sided skewed perspective, you'd realise this is evidently such an incident.

Well I would then have to point you in the direction of Raeker, Kurze, and Miia. I believe all staff members who have very good reputations for their professionalism and knowledge of how things should work.

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See I haven't even ripped anything of yours, nor have I even tried, but from what I've seen on your end, you have a really stuck up and snarky attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if almost everybody found it to be annoying.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024961

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

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dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Clarky wrote:

You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!!im fucking with you btw), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?

That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.

If my experiences with 95% of other people, including higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait ANOTHER week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle

While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.

Yeah, the only interaction, when I said "N i b b a" in a friendly, contextual manor, not in a loophole way, not in a racist manor either. When you put "racism" down, it makes people assume I've come on the server shouted "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** " and then left.

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was this that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.

dingofetch wrote:

I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?

Because I, a regular user, wanted to know what was so bad about what I said, or if you heard the wrong thing? Like ANY admin/mod should do? Is being able to explain why you did a punishment to a user seen as an extra step now?

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, everyone else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the only regular staff member with this opinion [that I'm aware of], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.

He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee.

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

No, staff members are SUPPOSED TO have freedom over their punishments to a reasonable extent, so could you please direct me to the LT member that spoke to you about being too lenient for unintentional racism? I'd like a "word" with them about their obvious lack of experience and basic knowledge regarding punishments.

You are in no way forced to punish for racism in any situations. Obviously it's advised in most cases, however there are very clear incidents where exceptions can be made and verbal warnings will settle, and if you had any reasonable judgement skills outside of your one-sided skewed perspective, you'd realise this is evidently such an incident.

Well I would then have to point you in the direction of Raeker, Kurze, and Miia. I believe all staff members who have very good reputations for their professionalism and knowledge of how things should work.

I'll speak with all of them privately, and I doubt Kurze would give you such information since he literally just argued AGAINST it in the post above.

Will get back to you soon.

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dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

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May i add that this 'Racism' punishment will no longer be recent soon. Yes you were demoted before but there is no need for people to make a big deal out of it. I got an official but only took me 2 applications to get mod. You have came back a while ago and yet you are still trying for this position and you have being gone for a very long time too. I will hopefully actually attend this meeting and i will say yes to you becoming admin and I know you hate this zero tolerance racism rule but a lot of people do and i am one of them. Hell does anyone remember that raeker was racist at one point yet that boi got cm few months later. Lets not cherry pick excuses to try get ceezee denied. Maybe be harsher to staff members that purposely abuse though because it seems that when it comes to users abusing everyone flips a shit but when it comes to a staff member its just a slight tap on the wrist and hopes everyone forgets about it. I have said my whole opinion on the matter.

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No, staff members are SUPPOSED TO have freedom over their punishments to a reasonable extent
You are in no way forced to punish for racism in any situation. Obviously it's advised in most cases

This is my exact point, and it is a shame that some LT mislead staff into doing what they want. Rather than saying "We recommend" they say "Do this and do that". Staff members have to realize that they have freedom in their punishments obviously to a certain extent as sorle already mentioned. In the end, it is up to the member dealing with the situation to institute the punishment they feel is appropriate regarding the circumstances. Be reasonable, and dont always immediately resort to punishment through a warn if a verbal would have sufficed.

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sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

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See I haven't even ripped anything of yours, nor have I even tried, but from what I've seen on your end, you have a really stuck up and snarky attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if almost everybody found it to be annoying.

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dingofetch wrote:

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Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

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especially if they are someone who has been around a long time

CeeZee hasn't been here for at least 8 months, and he was DEFINITELY not around when the zero tolerance policy was implemented, so he had no fucking clue lol. You can't expect him to come back and be perfect on something that isn't even within the rule page.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024979

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

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especially if they are someone who has been around a long time

CeeZee hasn't been here for at least 8 months, and he was DEFINITELY not around when the zero tolerance policy was implemented, so he had no fucking clue lol. You can't expect him to come back and be perfect on something that isn't even within the rule page.

The original punishment I issued was on a brand new user.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024980

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

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especially if they are someone who has been around a long time

CeeZee hasn't been here for at least 8 months, and he was DEFINITELY not around when the zero tolerance policy was implemented, so he had no fucking clue lol. You can't expect him to come back and be perfect on something that isn't even within the rule page.

The original punishment I issued was on a brand new user.

In what way is that relevant? That user had been racist three times within an hour period, and you were issuing the third punishment, so that can NOT be compared to this situation in any way, and the fact that you're still grasping at it is rather questionable.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024981

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

excuse me good sir but there is something called context and if you are literally taking something out of context to ban someone then you shouldnt be doing it. From what i gather, Ceezee used it in context so not only do you gag him, but you warn him as well? It's a stretch for a gag but a warn as well is just over the top. If you're punishing for things that you cherry pick from context and simply don't verbally warn someone then you need to rethink your punishments. There's freedom of punishment and you don't have to blindly follow everything that you are said, as ethos are a thing.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024983

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

dingofetch wrote:

especially if they are someone who has been around a long time

CeeZee hasn't been here for at least 8 months, and he was DEFINITELY not around when the zero tolerance policy was implemented, so he had no fucking clue lol. You can't expect him to come back and be perfect on something that isn't even within the rule page.

The original punishment I issued was on a brand new user.

In what way is that relevant? That user had been racist three times within an hour period, and you were issuing the third punishment, so that can NOT be compared to this situation in any way, and the fact that you're still grasping at it is rather questionable.

The problem wasn't a third time, Since you're making assumptions about the situation, I'll clear it up for you. I had joined the server after the first punishment was issued, I issued the second punishment and he had apologized to me for it and said it wouldn't happen again. I was then pulled aside and told that instead of just warning and gagging I should have banned the apologetic new user.

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See I haven't even ripped anything of yours, nor have I even tried, but from what I've seen on your end, you have a really stuck up and snarky attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if almost everybody found it to be annoying.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024984

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

dingofetch wrote:

especially if they are someone who has been around a long time

CeeZee hasn't been here for at least 8 months, and he was DEFINITELY not around when the zero tolerance policy was implemented, so he had no fucking clue lol. You can't expect him to come back and be perfect on something that isn't even within the rule page.

The original punishment I issued was on a brand new user.

In what way is that relevant? That user had been racist three times within an hour period, and you were issuing the third punishment, so that can NOT be compared to this situation in any way, and the fact that you're still grasping at it is rather questionable.

The problem wasn't a third time, Since you're making assumptions about the situation, I'll clear it up for you. I had joined the server after the first punishment was issued, I issued the second punishment and he had apologized to me for it and said it wouldn't happen again. I was then pulled aside and told that instead of just warning and gagging I should have banned the apologetic new user.

My point still stands that since that incident was based on his second offence, it can't be applied to the situation at hand and you need to stop grasping at it.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024985

Lets just remember this is ONE punishment. Denying him for ONE punishment when we have accepted people with 2+ (eg me when i first applied wayyy back) so plz just stop arguing against ceezee for having ONE punishment lmao.	Jax Offline Expert Boarder That's the way it is. Posts: 849 Thanks received: 294 Karma: 1
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dingofetch wrote:

sorIe wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

Recently the policy changed and I was brought aside to talk about me being too lenient and not banning for second offense racism because I thought the user didn't mean to do it. While I personally have stated that I do not think it is right, as a staff member, while it is still a rule I will enforce it. I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around following orders I'm given, but that's what staff members are supposed to do.

Seems like you're applying a completely different situation to everything regarding racism and not actually considering the context of Miia's talk with you. With 2 warns in the past hour, a third incident of racism most definitely calls for a ban, and once again your basic interpretation and judgement skills are clouded and completely at fault.

To be clear, it wasn't clouded judgement on my part, I was told instead of warning and gagging the guy who was unintentionally racist, I was supposed to ban him because it was his second offense. If he had only been talked to by a staff member the first time, I wouldn't have known it was his second offense at all and the situation that normally would result in a ban, wouldn't have. If a user breaks a rule they should be punished for it, especially if they are someone who has been around a long time. My warn and gag on CeeZee was a fitting punishment according to the standards I was recently told to go by.

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Jax wrote:

Lets just remember this is ONE punishment. Denying him for ONE punishment when we have accepted people with 2+ (eg me when i first applied wayyy back) so plz just stop arguing against ceezee for having ONE punishment lmao.

I'm not saying to deny him, as previously stated I just want to see him work up to it in the moderator position. I am clearly not the only one who feels this way and I think it's completely reasonable given everything that's happened so far.

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See I haven't even ripped anything of yours, nor have I even tried, but from what I've seen on your end, you have a really stuck up and snarky attitude. Wouldn't be surprised if almost everybody found it to be annoying.

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[TTT Admin] CeeZee's Application 6 years 1 month ago #1024991

dingofetch wrote:

Jax wrote:

Lets just remember this is ONE punishment. Denying him for ONE punishment when we have accepted people with 2+ (eg me when i first applied wayyy back) so plz just stop arguing against ceezee for having ONE punishment lmao.

I'm not saying to deny him, as previously stated I just want to see him work up to it in the moderator position. I am clearly not the only one who feels this way and I think it's completely reasonable given everything that's happened so far.

It does not look clear to me as everyone in this appears to be against you. Not with you. I know you punished him and want to defend your actions which i understand but you have gotta understand too that yes there is a 0 tolerance rule but there is sticking to what is actually right too. I disrespected other staff members and got an official for it a few months ago meanwhile you are saying for ceezee to work for longer when he has being gone for longer than a YEAR. Just take that in.