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dingofetch wrote:

CeeZee wrote:

dingofetch wrote:

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dingofetch wrote:

Clarky wrote:

You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!!im fucking with you btw), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?

That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.

If my experiences with 95% of other people, including higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait ANOTHER week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle

While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.

Yeah, the only interaction, when I said "N i b b a" in a friendly, contextual manor, not in a loophole way, not in a racist manor either. When you put "racism" down, it makes people assume I've come on the server shouted "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** " and then left.

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was this that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.

dingofetch wrote:

I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?

Because I, a regular user, wanted to know what was so bad about what I said, or if you heard the wrong thing? Like ANY admin/mod should do? Is being able to explain why you did a punishment to a user seen as an extra step now?

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, everyone else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the only regular staff member with this opinion [that I'm aware of], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.

He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee, so why should punishment truly be necessary in someone who clearly just needs a chance to adjust to the recently-adjusted policy?

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

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[quote="dingofetch" post=1024940][quote="CeeZee" post=1024935][spoiler][quote="dingofetch" post=1024931][quote="CeeZee" post=1024906][quote="dingofetch" post=1024873][quote="CeeZee" post=1024577][quote="dingofetch" post=1024448][quote="Clarky" post=1024417]You were demoted from Admin a while back due to too many accepted reports (or in your world, LT IS CORRUPT OMG ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM LOL!!![size=1][size=1][size=1]im fucking with you btw[/size][/size][/size]), don't you think it's a better idea to start from Moderator again to prove you'll do a good job from there?[/quote]
That sounds like a much better approach to me, so far my experience with CeeZee has not shown him to be staff material and I would like to see him as moderator first since people do seem to have an alright opinion of him.[/quote]

If my experiences with [i]95%[/i] of other people,[i] including[/i] higher staff are all positive, is it a possibility that this is a personal problem you have with me instead of professional? Is it with my capabilities or how we've talked in the past?

There's only 2 differences with Admin and Moderator, a ban command and handling things on forums. Can I ask what's the point in making me wait [i]ANOTHER[/i] week to gain a ban command, where have I shown I'm not capable of handling such a godly hammer?

Also agree with Sorle[/quote]
While I would have been content to just leave it how I did and not make personal business public, you seem to have forgotten the only interaction we've had with each other since I've met you. You said something in game that was against the rules, I warned and gagged you and told you not to do it again. After that you asked me to come into a TS server with you to talk about the punishment where you were extremely disrespectful and childishly angry. After you stormed back to your channel with your buddies I am assuming they told you the same thing I did, that you were out of line and deserved to be punished for it.

For the next hour or 2 that I was on the server with you, you kept saying very immature things trying to provoke a reaction out of me. And before you deny that this happened like I'm sure you were going to, Tom and somebody else were also talking about your childish behavior in the admin chat. This kept up for about another hour or 2 before you finally left the server and hopefully had a chance to cool down.

I have no prior experience with you as a staff member because I will have been staff on zarp for almost 6 months now, and basing what I know about you on those childish outbursts and lack of knowledge on how seriously we take racism in the zarp community, I would say you are not ready for a staff role at all, let alone a jump to admin. I would like to see you on the server more as a user and hopefully get to see that you are not an immature kid like you made yourself out to be. That being said, clearly a large number of people in this thread agree that you can be trusted in that role, and I think that holds some merit too.

Now, Clarky brings up an issue with too many accepted reports on you while you were a staff member previously. To me, that says you again, do not have what it takes to be a staff member. I would honestly say you shouldn't apply at all for at least another couple weeks, but there seem to be people who have different views on you and I will respect those views as well. A good middle ground would be for you to not apply for admin and perhaps apply for moderator so we can see how you fare without the ban command and noclip. If you have no report abuses accepted within 2 weeks then I would say we should move you up to admin.[/quote]

I wanted to talk to you about it, to clear up what I said, because from people I've explained this to, they all said it would be a verbal warning and to explain it's actually loophole racism and to not do it again, even though it was meant in a non racist manor.

When in the teamspeak with you, you made it very clear you did not give a single fuck about anything I had to say from the get go, pissing me off immediately, I made you aware it wasn't serious, that I was joking when I said it. You said you really couldn't care, that "N I B B A" in a friendly contextual manor is the same as saying "NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** NI***** ", which is frankly just fucking wrong.

After venting when I left, I made a joke out of the situation, pissing about on the topic of our conversation, rather than be salty and let it fester, if you took it the wrong way then that's on you, not me. I don't hold grudges unless well, you do shit like this on the constant. I prefer to make humour out of shit situations and move on, which is why nobody apart from old LT have beef with me.

As for why I was demoted, it's just frankly lies. I had report abuses on me, none of them accepted, the only report abuse I had on me was [url=https://zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/report-abuse/70574-ttt-staff-misconduct-the-ceezee?start=20]this[/url] that I believe got accepted, by my friend .uzi when we had a falling out at the time

If not that thread, it was another one with him I know that, the LT at the time was looking for any reason to get rid of me after my calling-out-on-the-forums shit I did, giving me the meme of corrupt lead team.

If you don't like my attitude towards drama or anything, that's fine, some people want serious to stay serious, but keep personal problems with me and how good of an Admin I am separate.[/quote]
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[quote=dingofetch]I could not agree less on the "did not give a fuck" attitude you said I had. If I did not give a fuck why would I take time out of my day to join a salty user on team speak and explain exactly what it was he should not be doing again. As for the punishment issued it was perfectly fair considering the standard we have for racism tolerance. The 'make a joke out of everything' attitude is not a get out of jail free card when you want to act like a child, and I would hope you try to be a little more professional in the future. This post was supposed to give a little more context to the situation we were in and was for me to show that I thought you needed more time to grow into someone a little more mature. You have gone and proven that you have not reached that level yet and my question still stands. Are you able to show enough maturity and change in behavior to be entrusted with any kind of power at all?[/quote]

Everyone I've talked to has said otherwise regarding the punishment/warn, you can feel however you want, they've been explained everything that happened and agree a verbal warning was only necessary as I wasn't intentionally racist.

You're right, it's not a get out of jail free card for childishness, good thing I didn't act childish and you took it the wrong way, as explained above, [i]everyone[/i] else seems to understand this when I make jokes in the TeamSpeak and in the server regarding what they say or do, why can't you?

So you're calling me a child for a personal issue you have with me and feel I'm not worthy of power because of my attitude towards treating serious issues once set in stone/sorted?

You seem to be the [i]only[/i] regular staff member with this opinion [i][that I'm aware of][/i], the rest can put 2+2 together and find out what a joke is and how I act, and know when a serious issue is brought up I am very serious. Just no need to treat it as serious after it's dealt with.

This is the last I'm speaking on the subject, I suggest taking a step back and realising what I did wasn't personal or childish, that I often step in to de-escalate bad situations myself among staff, I mean ask Harry-RDM and Kim, I've tried to sort their beef for a while now as they're both great people with the wrong ends of the stick about each other[/quote]

As of lately, unintentional racism is ban worthy if it happens twice. You should try to learn more about our rules and procedures before saying what is proper and what isn't.[/quote]
He hasn't claimed at any point that what he said was truly "proper"; what he CORRECTLY claims is that you blew it entirely out of proportion by labelling it as "loopholing racism". Obviously, the blame on this could come down to the attitudes of the community towards such things, however what you're failing to do is see it in perspective and properly understand that it isn't a big deal as you try to make it out to be, causing you to continue arguing the point and look at the whole situation from a skewed perspective and with a lack of a clear head. It was without malicious intent, and the action itself was at no point attempted to be justified by CeeZee, so why should punishment truly be necessary in someone who clearly just needs a chance to adjust to the recently-adjusted policy?

Stop aimlessly arguing an entirely fruitless point, put your personal issues aside, and realise that there's no real point in continuing to deny CeeZee, as he'd realistically probably do better than you.

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