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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819773

spodermon wrote:

ChummyXRay wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Ugh, next time better be carefull who you kick and maybe talk to him. Lucky you that this is going to be refunded!

According to his post he did attempt to discuss this with Fluffy, but he decided to act like a child and lash out. Ashur isn't "lucky" that it'll be refunded. While a kick might be seen as too much, he was well within his right to correct what he saw was a rulebreak. The lucky one is Fluffy, because even though he broke rules and was apparently being an ass, he's still getting an apology and offers to repay him in some format. Now, this is all hearsay without proof showing how it went down, but if what Ashur said is true, there is no need for this post.

The kick command is only used under extreme circumstances with extreme circumstances i mean with if an user is propspamming and refusing to remove his props or his mass rdming even after a 10 minutes jail/freeze. and that wasn't the case in this situation. This could be easily resolved with a mute, warn and if needed freeze for 5 minutes. The alts rapsheet was clear so there's another reason why a kick was also obviously excessive. Even if he knew him or not the kick was absolutely unneeded and it ruined his rp.

Sorry, Spoder, but are you daft in the head? "It ruined his RP"? This is a user that has been breaking rules. If you seriously think we should be concerned with the user's RP when punishing them then I don't even understand why punishments exist in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

I'm not gonna dive bomb into this thread anylonger but, you knew damn well that you should not have kicked him,btw you might wanna read the other posts aswell.

And I know for sure that he wasn't mass nlring you could've easily asked for a jail if you feel 'uncomfortable ' with the freeze command and you can warn aswell. Nevertheless his rapsheet was also completely clean. Again this could've easily been resolved with a (talk) mute, warn and if deemed necessary a 10 min freeze

Whatever you might believe, a freeze is not a proper punishment and by no means a replacement for the kick command. I cannot understand why you're trying to limit the staff member's powers when they already have very few commands in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Staff Ethos say’s it all...

Disrespect
When dealing with disrespectful users we advise using powers other than the ban or kick commands, rather try to use powers such as muting and warning.

Exactly, that's why he should've used the freeze command/warn/mute. And hence the kick command was unnecessary excessive force
Also @chummy
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-is...to-the-mods?start=15

Note that this is advice. It is expected of staff to do everything within their power not to use the kick command, but that doesn't mean that it's immediately abuse when they actually do. If the staff member believes a kick was warranted then apparently the situation wwas so out of contrl that there wasn't any other actual option.

And even if a kick was not warranted, that still does not mean the user should be refunded. If we're seriously going to refund users when they're breaking rules then I seriously cannot understand what the point is in being a staff member in the first place. It's completely undermining everything that a staff member is and does.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819778

Raeker wrote:

spodermon wrote:

ChummyXRay wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Ugh, next time better be carefull who you kick and maybe talk to him. Lucky you that this is going to be refunded!

According to his post he did attempt to discuss this with Fluffy, but he decided to act like a child and lash out. Ashur isn't "lucky" that it'll be refunded. While a kick might be seen as too much, he was well within his right to correct what he saw was a rulebreak. The lucky one is Fluffy, because even though he broke rules and was apparently being an ass, he's still getting an apology and offers to repay him in some format. Now, this is all hearsay without proof showing how it went down, but if what Ashur said is true, there is no need for this post.

The kick command is only used under extreme circumstances with extreme circumstances i mean with if an user is propspamming and refusing to remove his props or his mass rdming even after a 10 minutes jail/freeze. and that wasn't the case in this situation. This could be easily resolved with a mute, warn and if needed freeze for 5 minutes. The alts rapsheet was clear so there's another reason why a kick was also obviously excessive. Even if he knew him or not the kick was absolutely unneeded and it ruined his rp.

Sorry, Spoder, but are you daft in the head? "It ruined his RP"? This is a user that has been breaking rules. If you seriously think we should be concerned with the user's RP when punishing them then I don't even understand why punishments exist in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

I'm not gonna dive bomb into this thread anylonger but, you knew damn well that you should not have kicked him,btw you might wanna read the other posts aswell.

And I know for sure that he wasn't mass nlring you could've easily asked for a jail if you feel 'uncomfortable ' with the freeze command and you can warn aswell. Nevertheless his rapsheet was also completely clean. Again this could've easily been resolved with a (talk) mute, warn and if deemed necessary a 10 min freeze

Whatever you might believe, a freeze is not a proper punishment and by no means a replacement for the kick command. I cannot understand why you're trying to limit the staff member's powers when they already have very few commands in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Staff Ethos say’s it all...

Disrespect
When dealing with disrespectful users we advise using powers other than the ban or kick commands, rather try to use powers such as muting and warning.

Exactly, that's why he should've used the freeze command/warn/mute. And hence the kick command was unnecessary excessive force
Also @chummy
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-is...to-the-mods?start=15

Note that this is advice. It is expected of staff to do everything within their power not to use the kick command, but that doesn't mean that it's immediately abuse when they actually do. If the staff member believes a kick was warranted then apparently the situation wwas so out of contrl that there wasn't any other actual option.

And even if a kick was not warranted, that still does not mean the user should be refunded. If we're seriously going to refund users when they're breaking rules then I seriously cannot understand what the point is in being a staff member in the first place. It's completely undermining everything that a staff member is and does.

Staffs word is final, he got kicked cause he refused to listen, and when i said ill forcefully get him out the district he made an attempt to RDM me, the only reason this got out of hand was because he lost printers, and EiPUS don't disrespect me in admin chat for what i did, the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct, Fluffy as ex admin should know that he has to listen, thanks Raeker for your words.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819784

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Ashur wrote:

Raeker wrote:

spodermon wrote:

ChummyXRay wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Ugh, next time better be carefull who you kick and maybe talk to him. Lucky you that this is going to be refunded!

According to his post he did attempt to discuss this with Fluffy, but he decided to act like a child and lash out. Ashur isn't "lucky" that it'll be refunded. While a kick might be seen as too much, he was well within his right to correct what he saw was a rulebreak. The lucky one is Fluffy, because even though he broke rules and was apparently being an ass, he's still getting an apology and offers to repay him in some format. Now, this is all hearsay without proof showing how it went down, but if what Ashur said is true, there is no need for this post.

The kick command is only used under extreme circumstances with extreme circumstances i mean with if an user is propspamming and refusing to remove his props or his mass rdming even after a 10 minutes jail/freeze. and that wasn't the case in this situation. This could be easily resolved with a mute, warn and if needed freeze for 5 minutes. The alts rapsheet was clear so there's another reason why a kick was also obviously excessive. Even if he knew him or not the kick was absolutely unneeded and it ruined his rp.

Sorry, Spoder, but are you daft in the head? "It ruined his RP"? This is a user that has been breaking rules. If you seriously think we should be concerned with the user's RP when punishing them then I don't even understand why punishments exist in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

I'm not gonna dive bomb into this thread anylonger but, you knew damn well that you should not have kicked him,btw you might wanna read the other posts aswell.

And I know for sure that he wasn't mass nlring you could've easily asked for a jail if you feel 'uncomfortable ' with the freeze command and you can warn aswell. Nevertheless his rapsheet was also completely clean. Again this could've easily been resolved with a (talk) mute, warn and if deemed necessary a 10 min freeze

Whatever you might believe, a freeze is not a proper punishment and by no means a replacement for the kick command. I cannot understand why you're trying to limit the staff member's powers when they already have very few commands in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Staff Ethos say’s it all...

Disrespect
When dealing with disrespectful users we advise using powers other than the ban or kick commands, rather try to use powers such as muting and warning.

Exactly, that's why he should've used the freeze command/warn/mute. And hence the kick command was unnecessary excessive force
Also @chummy
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-is...to-the-mods?start=15

Note that this is advice. It is expected of staff to do everything within their power not to use the kick command, but that doesn't mean that it's immediately abuse when they actually do. If the staff member believes a kick was warranted then apparently the situation wwas so out of contrl that there wasn't any other actual option.

And even if a kick was not warranted, that still does not mean the user should be refunded. If we're seriously going to refund users when they're breaking rules then I seriously cannot understand what the point is in being a staff member in the first place. It's completely undermining everything that a staff member is and does.

Staffs word is final, he got kicked cause he refused to listen, and when i said ill forcefully get him out the district he made an attempt to RDM me, the only reason this got out of hand was because he lost printers, and EiPUS don't disrespect me in admin chat for what i did, the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct, Fluffy as ex admin should know that he has to listen, thanks Raeker for your words.

A Simple way to deal with the situation:
1) Freeze said user.
2) Teleport him out of the district and onto a roof.
3) Deal with the situation accordingly, mute for the disrespect and warn for the RDM.
4) Set the user down and proceed with the procedure again should he do anything the like again. A kick with 0 recents is just not appropriate at all.

the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct

You can be critized for choosing the wrong punishment, which in this case it clearly was, you could have dealt with it in a way which would protect the user according to ethos and hinder him from disrespecting you aswell. The kick was a punishment which hurt him the most because you destroyed the printers. But punishment isn't supposed to be interactive with RP, unless the printers where at an illegal spot(as an example). You dealt with the situation in the wrong way and you should accept it.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819788

Pegasus wrote:

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Ashur wrote:

Raeker wrote:

spodermon wrote:

ChummyXRay wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Ugh, next time better be carefull who you kick and maybe talk to him. Lucky you that this is going to be refunded!

According to his post he did attempt to discuss this with Fluffy, but he decided to act like a child and lash out. Ashur isn't "lucky" that it'll be refunded. While a kick might be seen as too much, he was well within his right to correct what he saw was a rulebreak. The lucky one is Fluffy, because even though he broke rules and was apparently being an ass, he's still getting an apology and offers to repay him in some format. Now, this is all hearsay without proof showing how it went down, but if what Ashur said is true, there is no need for this post.

The kick command is only used under extreme circumstances with extreme circumstances i mean with if an user is propspamming and refusing to remove his props or his mass rdming even after a 10 minutes jail/freeze. and that wasn't the case in this situation. This could be easily resolved with a mute, warn and if needed freeze for 5 minutes. The alts rapsheet was clear so there's another reason why a kick was also obviously excessive. Even if he knew him or not the kick was absolutely unneeded and it ruined his rp.

Sorry, Spoder, but are you daft in the head? "It ruined his RP"? This is a user that has been breaking rules. If you seriously think we should be concerned with the user's RP when punishing them then I don't even understand why punishments exist in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

I'm not gonna dive bomb into this thread anylonger but, you knew damn well that you should not have kicked him,btw you might wanna read the other posts aswell.

And I know for sure that he wasn't mass nlring you could've easily asked for a jail if you feel 'uncomfortable ' with the freeze command and you can warn aswell. Nevertheless his rapsheet was also completely clean. Again this could've easily been resolved with a (talk) mute, warn and if deemed necessary a 10 min freeze

Whatever you might believe, a freeze is not a proper punishment and by no means a replacement for the kick command. I cannot understand why you're trying to limit the staff member's powers when they already have very few commands in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Staff Ethos say’s it all...

Disrespect
When dealing with disrespectful users we advise using powers other than the ban or kick commands, rather try to use powers such as muting and warning.

Exactly, that's why he should've used the freeze command/warn/mute. And hence the kick command was unnecessary excessive force
Also @chummy
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-is...to-the-mods?start=15

Note that this is advice. It is expected of staff to do everything within their power not to use the kick command, but that doesn't mean that it's immediately abuse when they actually do. If the staff member believes a kick was warranted then apparently the situation wwas so out of contrl that there wasn't any other actual option.

And even if a kick was not warranted, that still does not mean the user should be refunded. If we're seriously going to refund users when they're breaking rules then I seriously cannot understand what the point is in being a staff member in the first place. It's completely undermining everything that a staff member is and does.

Staffs word is final, he got kicked cause he refused to listen, and when i said ill forcefully get him out the district he made an attempt to RDM me, the only reason this got out of hand was because he lost printers, and EiPUS don't disrespect me in admin chat for what i did, the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct, Fluffy as ex admin should know that he has to listen, thanks Raeker for your words.

A Simple way to deal with the situation:
1) Freeze said user.
2) Teleport him out of the district and onto a roof.
3) Deal with the situation accordingly, mute for the disrespect and warn for the RDM.
4) Set the user down and proceed with the procedure again should he do anything the like again. A kick with 0 recents is just not appropriate at all.

the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct

You can be critized for choosing the wrong punishment, which in this case it clearly was, you could have dealt with it in a way which would protect the user according to ethos and hinder him from disrespecting you aswell. The kick was a punishment which hurt him the most because you destroyed the printers. But punishment isn't supposed to be interactive with RP, unless the printers where at an illegal spot(as an example). You dealt with the situation in the wrong way and you should accept it.

I agree that the staff member shouldn't always be the one to decide what the 'right' punishment is, namely with bans which are usually very excessive because the staff member believes it to be "right". But I do not believe that a kick is an unfair punishment if the staff member believes the user is behaving improperly, so saying that this situation was dealt with wrongly is more a matter of opinion than a matter of it actually being wrong.

Punishments never interact with RP under any circumstances. Punishments are always purposely given outside of RP nor do, and should, they have any affect on them. What you're saying is "He shouldn't have been kicked because it ruined his RP", but that makes no sense, because kicking a user should always be because of the user's actions. A refund would be needed if the staff member kicked the user for no reason. The user was breaking rules so he got kicked, and regardless of whether or not you think it was harsh it was by no means abuse nor should it mean that Ashur would have to publically shame himself like this.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819789

Raeker wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

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Ashur wrote:

Raeker wrote:

spodermon wrote:

ChummyXRay wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Ugh, next time better be carefull who you kick and maybe talk to him. Lucky you that this is going to be refunded!

According to his post he did attempt to discuss this with Fluffy, but he decided to act like a child and lash out. Ashur isn't "lucky" that it'll be refunded. While a kick might be seen as too much, he was well within his right to correct what he saw was a rulebreak. The lucky one is Fluffy, because even though he broke rules and was apparently being an ass, he's still getting an apology and offers to repay him in some format. Now, this is all hearsay without proof showing how it went down, but if what Ashur said is true, there is no need for this post.

The kick command is only used under extreme circumstances with extreme circumstances i mean with if an user is propspamming and refusing to remove his props or his mass rdming even after a 10 minutes jail/freeze. and that wasn't the case in this situation. This could be easily resolved with a mute, warn and if needed freeze for 5 minutes. The alts rapsheet was clear so there's another reason why a kick was also obviously excessive. Even if he knew him or not the kick was absolutely unneeded and it ruined his rp.

Sorry, Spoder, but are you daft in the head? "It ruined his RP"? This is a user that has been breaking rules. If you seriously think we should be concerned with the user's RP when punishing them then I don't even understand why punishments exist in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

I'm not gonna dive bomb into this thread anylonger but, you knew damn well that you should not have kicked him,btw you might wanna read the other posts aswell.

And I know for sure that he wasn't mass nlring you could've easily asked for a jail if you feel 'uncomfortable ' with the freeze command and you can warn aswell. Nevertheless his rapsheet was also completely clean. Again this could've easily been resolved with a (talk) mute, warn and if deemed necessary a 10 min freeze

Whatever you might believe, a freeze is not a proper punishment and by no means a replacement for the kick command. I cannot understand why you're trying to limit the staff member's powers when they already have very few commands in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Staff Ethos say’s it all...

Disrespect
When dealing with disrespectful users we advise using powers other than the ban or kick commands, rather try to use powers such as muting and warning.

Exactly, that's why he should've used the freeze command/warn/mute. And hence the kick command was unnecessary excessive force
Also @chummy
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-is...to-the-mods?start=15

Note that this is advice. It is expected of staff to do everything within their power not to use the kick command, but that doesn't mean that it's immediately abuse when they actually do. If the staff member believes a kick was warranted then apparently the situation wwas so out of contrl that there wasn't any other actual option.

And even if a kick was not warranted, that still does not mean the user should be refunded. If we're seriously going to refund users when they're breaking rules then I seriously cannot understand what the point is in being a staff member in the first place. It's completely undermining everything that a staff member is and does.

Staffs word is final, he got kicked cause he refused to listen, and when i said ill forcefully get him out the district he made an attempt to RDM me, the only reason this got out of hand was because he lost printers, and EiPUS don't disrespect me in admin chat for what i did, the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct, Fluffy as ex admin should know that he has to listen, thanks Raeker for your words.

A Simple way to deal with the situation:
1) Freeze said user.
2) Teleport him out of the district and onto a roof.
3) Deal with the situation accordingly, mute for the disrespect and warn for the RDM.
4) Set the user down and proceed with the procedure again should he do anything the like again. A kick with 0 recents is just not appropriate at all.

the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct

You can be critized for choosing the wrong punishment, which in this case it clearly was, you could have dealt with it in a way which would protect the user according to ethos and hinder him from disrespecting you aswell. The kick was a punishment which hurt him the most because you destroyed the printers. But punishment isn't supposed to be interactive with RP, unless the printers where at an illegal spot(as an example). You dealt with the situation in the wrong way and you should accept it.

I agree that the staff member shouldn't always be the one to decide what the 'right' punishment is, namely with bans which are usually very excessive because the staff member believes it to be "right". But I do not believe that a kick is an unfair punishment if the staff member believes the user is behaving improperly, so saying that this situation was dealt with wrongly is more a matter of opinion than a matter of it actually being wrong.

Punishments never interact with RP under any circumstances. Punishments are always purposely given outside of RP nor do, and should, they have any affect on them. What you're saying is "He shouldn't have been kicked because it ruined his RP", but that makes no sense, because kicking a user should always be because of the user's actions. A refund would be needed if the staff member kicked the user for no reason. The user was breaking rules so he got kicked, and regardless of whether or not you think it was harsh it was by no means abuse nor should it mean that Ashur would have to publically shame himself like this.

I didn't know he had printers, so you can't blame me for that

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819791

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.	Ashur Offline Mythical Boarder Legendary Member Posts: 5573 Thanks received: 1276 Karma: -160
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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819793

Ashur wrote: Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid. I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.	spodermon Offline Diamond Boarder heyyyy Posts: 4531 Thanks received: 1394 Karma: 18
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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819796

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.

I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.

Cause you tried to make me scared, but im confident now, you seem to have no clue, i was right, and no where near abusing, just admit it, Raeker has already proven you wrong, our steam convo was you making me scared hoping i would say what you wanted to hear, now give your response, because youre an LT, doesn't mean i have to agree with you,i did yesterday so you would stop trying to find a reason to emergency demote me

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819801

Don't see any reason why Ashur has an obligation to refund Fluffy, from what I am reading he could have easily got kicked if Ashur warned him for the rules he broke; NLR, disrespect and attempted RDM. Only got himself to blame as he chose to continue on rather than just accepting his punishment for breaking NLR.	Zarp Trusted Offline Banned its mango Posts: 2032 Thanks received: 847 Karma: -20
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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 3 weeks ago #819804

MyNameBrokeTOU wrote: Don't see any reason why Ashur has an obligation to refund Fluffy, from what I am reading he could have easily got kicked if Ashur warned him for the rules he broke; NLR, disrespect and attempted RDM. Only got himself to blame as he chose to continue on rather than just accepting his punishment for breaking NLR. #Jenga4SSRPStaffAgain	Raeker Offline Former Community Manager It hurts the best of us Posts: 9175 Thanks received: 6577 Karma: 213
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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819807

Raeker wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

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Ashur wrote:

Raeker wrote:

spodermon wrote:

ChummyXRay wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Ugh, next time better be carefull who you kick and maybe talk to him. Lucky you that this is going to be refunded!

According to his post he did attempt to discuss this with Fluffy, but he decided to act like a child and lash out. Ashur isn't "lucky" that it'll be refunded. While a kick might be seen as too much, he was well within his right to correct what he saw was a rulebreak. The lucky one is Fluffy, because even though he broke rules and was apparently being an ass, he's still getting an apology and offers to repay him in some format. Now, this is all hearsay without proof showing how it went down, but if what Ashur said is true, there is no need for this post.

The kick command is only used under extreme circumstances with extreme circumstances i mean with if an user is propspamming and refusing to remove his props or his mass rdming even after a 10 minutes jail/freeze. and that wasn't the case in this situation. This could be easily resolved with a mute, warn and if needed freeze for 5 minutes. The alts rapsheet was clear so there's another reason why a kick was also obviously excessive. Even if he knew him or not the kick was absolutely unneeded and it ruined his rp.

Sorry, Spoder, but are you daft in the head? "It ruined his RP"? This is a user that has been breaking rules. If you seriously think we should be concerned with the user's RP when punishing them then I don't even understand why punishments exist in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

I'm not gonna dive bomb into this thread anylonger but, you knew damn well that you should not have kicked him,btw you might wanna read the other posts aswell.

And I know for sure that he wasn't mass nlring you could've easily asked for a jail if you feel 'uncomfortable ' with the freeze command and you can warn aswell. Nevertheless his rapsheet was also completely clean. Again this could've easily been resolved with a (talk) mute, warn and if deemed necessary a 10 min freeze

Whatever you might believe, a freeze is not a proper punishment and by no means a replacement for the kick command. I cannot understand why you're trying to limit the staff member's powers when they already have very few commands in the first place.

spodermon wrote:

Pegasus wrote:

Staff Ethos say’s it all...

Disrespect
When dealing with disrespectful users we advise using powers other than the ban or kick commands, rather try to use powers such as muting and warning.

Exactly, that's why he should've used the freeze command/warn/mute. And hence the kick command was unnecessary excessive force
Also @chummy
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-is...to-the-mods?start=15

Note that this is advice. It is expected of staff to do everything within their power not to use the kick command, but that doesn't mean that it's immediately abuse when they actually do. If the staff member believes a kick was warranted then apparently the situation wwas so out of contrl that there wasn't any other actual option.

And even if a kick was not warranted, that still does not mean the user should be refunded. If we're seriously going to refund users when they're breaking rules then I seriously cannot understand what the point is in being a staff member in the first place. It's completely undermining everything that a staff member is and does.

Staffs word is final, he got kicked cause he refused to listen, and when i said ill forcefully get him out the district he made an attempt to RDM me, the only reason this got out of hand was because he lost printers, and EiPUS don't disrespect me in admin chat for what i did, the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct, Fluffy as ex admin should know that he has to listen, thanks Raeker for your words.

A Simple way to deal with the situation:
1) Freeze said user.
2) Teleport him out of the district and onto a roof.
3) Deal with the situation accordingly, mute for the disrespect and warn for the RDM.
4) Set the user down and proceed with the procedure again should he do anything the like again. A kick with 0 recents is just not appropriate at all.

the staff member chooses the punishment that he feels is correct

You can be critized for choosing the wrong punishment, which in this case it clearly was, you could have dealt with it in a way which would protect the user according to ethos and hinder him from disrespecting you aswell. The kick was a punishment which hurt him the most because you destroyed the printers. But punishment isn't supposed to be interactive with RP, unless the printers where at an illegal spot(as an example). You dealt with the situation in the wrong way and you should accept it.

I agree that the staff member shouldn't always be the one to decide what the 'right' punishment is, namely with bans which are usually very excessive because the staff member believes it to be "right". But I do not believe that a kick is an unfair punishment if the staff member believes the user is behaving improperly, so saying that this situation was dealt with wrongly is more a matter of opinion than a matter of it actually being wrong.

Punishments never interact with RP under any circumstances. Punishments are always purposely given outside of RP nor do, and should, they have any affect on them. What you're saying is "He shouldn't have been kicked because it ruined his RP", but that makes no sense, because kicking a user should always be because of the user's actions. A refund would be needed if the staff member kicked the user for no reason. The user was breaking rules so he got kicked, and regardless of whether or not you think it was harsh it was by no means abuse nor should it mean that Ashur would have to publically shame himself like this.

Absolutely agree with that, I was told that Ashur knew the printers where down and as a result chose to kick the user, which would not be appropriate. In this case the kick was inappropriate but not abusive.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819809

Ashur wrote:

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Ashur wrote:

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.

I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.

Cause you tried to make me scared, but im confident now, you seem to have no clue, i was right, and no where near abusing, just admit it, Raeker has already proven you wrong, our steam convo was you making me scared hoping i would say what you wanted to hear, now give your response, because youre an LT, doesn't mean i have to agree with you,i did yesterday so you would stop trying to find a reason to emergency demote me

This is no where near what happened, stop slandering me and making up lies

I'll write an whole paragraph tonight with additional proof of the steam chat and I'll ask loggs off of tyler, and we'll see who the blatant liar is here.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819813

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.

I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.

Cause you tried to make me scared, but im confident now, you seem to have no clue, i was right, and no where near abusing, just admit it, Raeker has already proven you wrong, our steam convo was you making me scared hoping i would say what you wanted to hear, now give your response, because youre an LT, doesn't mean i have to agree with you,i did yesterday so you would stop trying to find a reason to emergency demote me

This is no where near what happened, stop slandering me and making up lies

I'll write an whole paragraph tonight with additional proof of the steam chat and I'll ask loggs off of tyler, and we'll see who the blatant liar is here.

The steam chat will be taken back, everything i said will, and is now taken back, i was in the right, he has himself to blame, all the logs will prove is him doing those rulebreaks, unless you can prove that it went otherwise as i said, provide evidence, this post will now be locked and the apology will not be activr anymore, have a nice one.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819815

spodermon wrote:

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Staff Ethos say’s it all...

Disrespect
When dealing with disrespectful users we advise using powers other than the ban or kick commands, rather try to use powers such as muting and warning.

Exactly, that's why he should've used the freeze command/warn/mute. And hence the kick command was unnecessary excessive force
Also @chummy
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Let me just quote what you said and R-FLEX
"R-FLEX: It does. Its more likely for someone to leave when frozen for 10 minutes than jailed. While jailed you can move around and feel punished. Frozen feels like the admin you froze you forgot to unfreeze you and so you rejoin"

You: "This is exactly what i mean"

I'm not gonna dive bomb into this thread anylonger but, you knew damn well that you should not have kicked him,btw you might wanna read the other posts aswell.

And I know for sure that he wasn't mass nlring you could've easily asked for a jail if you feel 'uncomfortable ' with the freeze command and you can warn aswell. Nevertheless his rapsheet was also completely clean. Again this could've easily been resolved with a (talk) mute, warn and if deemed necessary a 10 min freeze

You’re pretty dumb for someone trying to go for head admin. If I was Ashur and someone who is a regular on the server and I know 100% they should know the rules by how long they’ve been playing and how known they are and active on the forums and they tried to NLR over and over and RDM me after disrespecting me and refusing to listen I would of banned him for a day or two regardless of a low rap sheet. He should very well know the rules and should know he was way out of line acting like a child. He does not deserve a refund let alone an entire refund for his main CRASHING. It’s absolutely ridiculous that a staff member needs someone from the lead team jumping down his throat over a kick. Fluffy was well aware of what he was doing and knew what he was doing wrong and I’m sure even with a warning he still would of kept going on because he would believe a moderator can’t do shit to him. Also since when could staff use freeze as a punishment last I heard that’s not ok and you should ask for a jail, this isn’t fp.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819816

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.

I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.

Cause you tried to make me scared, but im confident now, you seem to have no clue, i was right, and no where near abusing, just admit it, Raeker has already proven you wrong, our steam convo was you making me scared hoping i would say what you wanted to hear, now give your response, because youre an LT, doesn't mean i have to agree with you,i did yesterday so you would stop trying to find a reason to emergency demote me

This is no where near what happened, stop slandering me and making up lies

I'll write an whole paragraph tonight with additional proof of the steam chat and I'll ask loggs off of tyler, and we'll see who the blatant liar is here.

Jesus Christ are you two complete idiots or something? You're supposed to be staff members. Stop behaving like absolute morons that are trying to prove the other wrong and call each other out for lying. Regardless of who is right in this situation, this should be dealt with on TS or on Steam, not on the forums.

Also, Spoder, regardless of whether or not Ashur lied, the fault is still on you. You went wrong the moment you forced Ashur to apologise to something that he didn't want to apologise for. If we're going to force staff members to make apologies that they do not want then we'll completely undermine the trust of the staff team as a whole.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819818

Ashur wrote:

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.

I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.

Cause you tried to make me scared, but im confident now, you seem to have no clue, i was right, and no where near abusing, just admit it, Raeker has already proven you wrong, our steam convo was you making me scared hoping i would say what you wanted to hear, now give your response, because youre an LT, doesn't mean i have to agree with you,i did yesterday so you would stop trying to find a reason to emergency demote me

Bruh if he actually tried to emergency demote you over a kick spoder is more retarded than I thought holy shit. The lead team really has gone down hill.

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819821

It's no requirement to apologise on the forums, ever since Para was caught hacking in the past, people seem to have this mindset of 'you're not sorry until you say this and that on a public forum'. Situation could've been dealt with better IMO than a kick but it's already been done, just do you what you gotta do in private instead of looking like fools. Have a merry Christmas!	Clarky Offline Former Community Manager I love Henny Posts: 16879 Thanks received: 9608 Karma: 983
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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819822

Raeker wrote:

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.

I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.

Cause you tried to make me scared, but im confident now, you seem to have no clue, i was right, and no where near abusing, just admit it, Raeker has already proven you wrong, our steam convo was you making me scared hoping i would say what you wanted to hear, now give your response, because youre an LT, doesn't mean i have to agree with you,i did yesterday so you would stop trying to find a reason to emergency demote me

This is no where near what happened, stop slandering me and making up lies

I'll write an whole paragraph tonight with additional proof of the steam chat and I'll ask loggs off of tyler, and we'll see who the blatant liar is here.

Jesus Christ are you two complete idiots or something? You're supposed to be staff members. Stop behaving like absolute morons that are trying to prove the other wrong and call each other out for lying. Regardless of who is right in this situation, this should be dealt with on TS or on Steam, not on the forums.

Also, Spoder, regardless of whether or not Ashur lied, the fault is still on you. You went wrong the moment you forced Ashur to apologise to something that he didn't want to apologise for. If we're going to force staff members to make apologies that they do not want then we'll completely undermine the trust of the staff team as a whole.

I absoluly didn't force him, I advised him since fluffy broke half off these rules

@sora, I didn't want to emergency demote him for a kick odcourset, but the day before that he allowed rflex to break rules and loopholed himself. I said if you continue your series of abuse and rulebreak I might want to consider options

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@FluffyOP - Apology 7 years 2 weeks ago #819825

SoraJS wrote:

Ashur wrote:

spodermon wrote:

Ashur wrote:

Spoder, speak up, stop hiding in your shelter thanking pegasus, what can you say on Raeker's comments? Youre just trying to get me demoted for something that was valid.

I gave statement, we both know what you said yesterday over steam isn't exactly what you're saying here.

Cause you tried to make me scared, but im confident now, you seem to have no clue, i was right, and no where near abusing, just admit it, Raeker has already proven you wrong, our steam convo was you making me scared hoping i would say what you wanted to hear, now give your response, because youre an LT, doesn't mean i have to agree with you,i did yesterday so you would stop trying to find a reason to emergency demote me

Bruh if he actually tried to emergency demote you over a kick spoder is more retarded than I thought holy shit. The lead team really has gone down hill.

He said the kick was abuse, and if i did it again, he would emergency demote me