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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663031

Dramn wrote:

I'm just worried on how far this will go.

Is the name "Dramn" going to be disallowed, because it's close to "Damn" which some people see as a curse?

What about people with the word "Crispy" in their name?

I'm just pretty worried at this point..

We don't have to let 'sensitivity' control us here.

And if we do, then "Baldy" can be seen as making fun of Cancer Patients.

Wait wtf is wrong with Crispy?

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663033

That's exactly my point, Studio Banter. That's how far this could go.	Dramn Offline Senior Boarder Rawr! xd Posts: 619 Thanks received: 242 Karma: 10
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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663034

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This was evidently pointed out by someone who took no offence to the word being used, and was looking out for "rulebreaks" because of personal feuds with the player or general attempts to further their "reputation" by pointing this out.

I'm pretty dumbfounded by that one exrobite, from a guy who isn't active in the Community you're surely making a few assumptions there. The motivation for accepting the report was stated in my reply, players have been complaining about this, it was brought to my attention by Tyler, I saw the report and felt something needed to be done about it.

I'm pretty dumbfounded by this entire situation if I'm honest. I don't need to be active within a community to have a lick of common sense. To be honest if the decision making standard of the entire community is represented by your choices then I'm rather glad I don't subscribe to the "super duper friendly zarp ethic."

It's understandable that you want to try and curb the use of racial slang, but considering the word in question had a far more common and acceptable use that the majority of society would identify as the original and proper use of the word I don't feel that the decision to force him to change his name is valid in this case.

I guess sometimes being an "outsider" to this community lets me observe things that you may not. I see a community that at times may alienate people due to it's attempts to be friendly. The attempts to not offend anyone are overbearing and may drive away certain people. The non-existent dispute system and the quite frankly broken appeals system makes it difficult for correct precedents to be set.

The real question is, will you let the 6,500 people who match with the search term "spook" on steam play on the server if they wish?

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663036

Would just like to clear up that myself and Morgan do not dislike one another nor do we have any 'hatred' towards one another we just have different points of views on the topic of my roleplaying name, his being a solid standpoint of it being a racist and derogatory term. And my selves being that it was a roleplaying name that has been learnt to be hated as a great minge and I would like to keep it.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663037

SoraJS wrote:

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I'll have to say that this "name change" is completely unneeded.
Everyone knows damn well that you had no intention to offend anyone with the name, and looking at it from an "international perspective" is misused here as Morgan was still looking at it from an American standpoint.

International aka across the globe means you have to take every country into account.
For example, within the Netherlands, the word "spook" means ghost, what if he was using it in a Dutch way? Could you really punish him for it because the name means something else in a different place? Of course not.

I find this entire name-change stuff complete and utter bullshit and I think it should be reverted ASAP.

The word isn't restricted to just the US. Also if you put it in your way you'd be disregarding what it's commonly used for in America as well (323.1 million in population). Also if you're going to say "Oh I meant it as this in this language" you could take that as loopholing as well. I don't see people who say their incorrect swastika is a buddism symbol getting their racism warning taken away or removed which is pretty similar in this sense then.

That reply is also same in this sense as well, just this is on a more broad scale. For me how I view things I look at the context/structure it's being used. I think when it came to this situation it wasn't just one admin taking offense to it and asking them to change their names, it's been an ongoing thing with their names that have gotten plenty of complaints over the past few weeks.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663039

Raeker wrote: In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist???? Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name? Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.	RFlex Offline Legendary Member whats up Posts: 5684 Thanks received: 996 Karma: -60
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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663042

exrobite wrote: The real question is, will you let the 6,500 people who match with the search term "spook" on steam play on the server if they wish? No, just like we wont the 17,002 players on steam with the n-word for their name.	Morgan Offline Legendary Member Posts: 15971 Thanks received: 6527 Karma: 105
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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663044

SoraJS wrote:

Akemi wrote:

I'll have to say that this "name change" is completely unneeded.
Everyone knows damn well that you had no intention to offend anyone with the name, and looking at it from an "international perspective" is misused here as Morgan was still looking at it from an American standpoint.

International aka across the globe means you have to take every country into account.
For example, within the Netherlands, the word "spook" means ghost, what if he was using it in a Dutch way? Could you really punish him for it because the name means something else in a different place? Of course not.

I find this entire name-change stuff complete and utter bullshit and I think it should be reverted ASAP.

The word isn't restricted to just the US. Also if you put it in your way you'd be disregarding what it's commonly used for in America as well (323.1 million in population). Also if you're going to say "Oh I meant it as this in this language" you could take that as loopholing as well. I don't see people who say their incorrect swastika is a buddism symbol getting their racism warning taken away or removed which is pretty similar in this sense then.

That reply is also same in this sense as well, just this is on a more broad scale. For me how I view things I look at the context/structure it's being used. I think when it came to this situation it wasn't just one admin taking offense to it and asking them to change their names, it's been an ongoing thing with their names that have gotten plenty of complaints over the past few weeks.

So sorry that your circlejerk is offended by it.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663045

Morgan wrote:

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The real question is, will you let the 6,500 people who match with the search term "spook" on steam play on the server if they wish?

No, just like we wont the 17,002 players on steam with the n-word for their name.

You'd forbid 6,500, most of which probably have perfectly good intentions with their name from playing the server to appease a few people feigning offence?

I mean I'd say I'm a left wing kind of guy but this is a bit silly.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663046

Studio Banter wrote:

Dramn wrote:

I'm just worried on how far this will go.

Is the name "Dramn" going to be disallowed, because it's close to "Damn" which some people see as a curse?

What about people with the word "Crispy" in their name?

I'm just pretty worried at this point..

We don't have to let 'sensitivity' control us here.

And if we do, then "Baldy" can be seen as making fun of Cancer Patients.

Wait wtf is wrong with Crispy?

Gonna impersonate someone else for a change.
Crispy is making fun of anyone that has been attacked by a nuclear strike, this is not funny because it effects many innocent lives boo hoo boo hoo.
Also it's racist to everyone with a skin tone darker than (255,255,255).

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663047

AA RFLeX wrote:

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In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist????

Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name?

Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.

But it is a British English community not an American English community, making the assumption that Spook is racist (which it is only in the US) again false.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663048

Therapist wrote:

SoraJS wrote:

Akemi wrote:

I'll have to say that this "name change" is completely unneeded.
Everyone knows damn well that you had no intention to offend anyone with the name, and looking at it from an "international perspective" is misused here as Morgan was still looking at it from an American standpoint.

International aka across the globe means you have to take every country into account.
For example, within the Netherlands, the word "spook" means ghost, what if he was using it in a Dutch way? Could you really punish him for it because the name means something else in a different place? Of course not.

I find this entire name-change stuff complete and utter bullshit and I think it should be reverted ASAP.

The word isn't restricted to just the US. Also if you put it in your way you'd be disregarding what it's commonly used for in America as well (323.1 million in population). Also if you're going to say "Oh I meant it as this in this language" you could take that as loopholing as well. I don't see people who say their incorrect swastika is a buddism symbol getting their racism warning taken away or removed which is pretty similar in this sense then.

That reply is also same in this sense as well, just this is on a more broad scale. For me how I view things I look at the context/structure it's being used. I think when it came to this situation it wasn't just one admin taking offense to it and asking them to change their names, it's been an ongoing thing with their names that have gotten plenty of complaints over the past few weeks.

So sorry that your circlejerk is offended by it.

Make all the assumptions you want instead of saying anything constructive but it hasn't been just people I talk to it's been random people in-game mostly.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663049

Raeker wrote:

AA RFLeX wrote:

Raeker wrote:

In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist????

Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name?

Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.

But it is a British English community not an American English community, making the assumption that Spook is racist (which it is only in the US) again false.

It's an international community.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663052

SoraJS wrote:

Therapist wrote:

SoraJS wrote:

Akemi wrote:

I'll have to say that this "name change" is completely unneeded.
Everyone knows damn well that you had no intention to offend anyone with the name, and looking at it from an "international perspective" is misused here as Morgan was still looking at it from an American standpoint.

International aka across the globe means you have to take every country into account.
For example, within the Netherlands, the word "spook" means ghost, what if he was using it in a Dutch way? Could you really punish him for it because the name means something else in a different place? Of course not.

I find this entire name-change stuff complete and utter bullshit and I think it should be reverted ASAP.

The word isn't restricted to just the US. Also if you put it in your way you'd be disregarding what it's commonly used for in America as well (323.1 million in population). Also if you're going to say "Oh I meant it as this in this language" you could take that as loopholing as well. I don't see people who say their incorrect swastika is a buddism symbol getting their racism warning taken away or removed which is pretty similar in this sense then.

That reply is also same in this sense as well, just this is on a more broad scale. For me how I view things I look at the context/structure it's being used. I think when it came to this situation it wasn't just one admin taking offense to it and asking them to change their names, it's been an ongoing thing with their names that have gotten plenty of complaints over the past few weeks.

So sorry that your circlejerk is offended by it.

Make all the assumptions you want instead of saying anything constructive but it hasn't been just people I talk to it's been random people in-game mostly.

Pretty sure that most of the people ingame don't even check the forums, try again.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663053

Morgan wrote:

Raeker wrote:

AA RFLeX wrote:

Raeker wrote:

In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist????

Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name?

Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.

But it is a British English community not an American English community, making the assumption that Spook is racist (which it is only in the US) again false.

It's an international community.

Once again, you're taking it from the points where it is a racial term, yet you ignore all the countries It's not a racial term in. Not really taking everything into account, are you?

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663055

Can't wait for the next installment of "This word is bad" by the regressive American. At least Europe is still sane.	Studio Banter Offline Marvelous Boarder ❤️ Posts: 14009 Thanks received: 5849 Karma: -60
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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663056

Akemi wrote:

Morgan wrote:

Raeker wrote:

AA RFLeX wrote:

Raeker wrote:

In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist????

Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name?

Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.

But it is a British English community not an American English community, making the assumption that Spook is racist (which it is only in the US) again false.

It's an international community.

Once again, you're taking it from the points where it is a racial term, yet you ignore all the countries It's not a racial term in. Not really taking everything into account, are you?

You could just flip that argument and use it the exact opposite way, not considering the massive offensive the word has in America would not be taking an international view on this.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663058

Raeker wrote:

AA RFLeX wrote:

Raeker wrote:

In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist????

Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name?

Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.

But it is a British English community not an American English community, making the assumption that Spook is racist (which it is only in the US) again false.

Where does it state that? From what i know not a single server is hosted in the UK.

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663064

Akemi wrote:

Morgan wrote:

Raeker wrote:

AA RFLeX wrote:

Raeker wrote:

In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist????

Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name?

Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.

But it is a British English community not an American English community, making the assumption that Spook is racist (which it is only in the US) again false.

It's an international community.

Once again, you're taking it from the points where it is a racial term, yet you ignore all the countries It's not a racial term in. Not really taking everything into account, are you?

Saying the term is fine and not racist at all would also be hypocritical as well and the same argument could be said to you. (Reworded) "Once again, you're taking it from the points where it isn't a racial term, yet you ignore all the countries it is a racial term in. Not really taking everything into account, are you?"

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NAME CHANGE?! 7 years 3 months ago #663065

Morgan wrote:

Akemi wrote:

Morgan wrote:

Raeker wrote:

AA RFLeX wrote:

Raeker wrote:

In Dutch "Spook" means ghost, so if I start talking in Dutch and casually mention a ghost movie I'm suddenly racist????

Also, "Spook" is sometimes also an actual name people have. Are they suddenly racist for having parents that gave them their name?

Keep in mind that this is not a Dutch speaking community and that its an English one.

But it is a British English community not an American English community, making the assumption that Spook is racist (which it is only in the US) again false.

It's an international community.

Once again, you're taking it from the points where it is a racial term, yet you ignore all the countries It's not a racial term in. Not really taking everything into account, are you?

You could just flip that argument and use it the exact opposite way, not considering the massive offensive the word has in America would not be taking an international view on this.

If you flip it Americans would completely ignore it, like the rest of the world is doing with this.