TOPIC: [TeamSpeak3] SyStem's Punishment Appeal

LonelyDodo wrote:
guaranteed a user would have instantly received a ban, either way the point is that he has done it before and people need to stop pulling the its his first mistake card.

Where’s all the “free speech” advocates at? He fuckdd up and got banned let him back. Oh and for the ones saying well he said it to a “15 year old” so fucking what if that kid is grown enough to bring his ass on here then he’s grown enough to hear it. What’s next oh he’s only 15 he don’t know no better. Sad fucks.

Xeronise wrote: You lost all integrity in my eyes already and everything you state is counterproductive.

A user may have faced a ban for saying that in OCC but an admin calling himself something is more than likely a mistake so the matter was investigated further by men of power and would you look at that it was sent to wrong chat....

It is his first mistake on TS and 1st recent mistake and on top of that first actually racism offense he has committed (that has been documented. I could not care about your accusations if you have no proof) and thus it is overreacting to demoted someone on spot without an official

Xeronise wrote: It's not guaranteed it's a personal preference, you are allowed to warn them first and then ban them which is what I do, the policy doesn't say you should instantly ban a user it simply gives you the option. In-game if someone said the N-word and the only punishment on his rap sheet is one for racism 4 months ago (before the no-tolerance policy) would you really ban him immediately? Because I definitely wouldn't.

RedPowder wrote: People are being ageists and discriminating against someone who is over their age. If SyStem got demoted for racism cant we get all these 15 YO spammers demoted and forum banned because of this thread?

LonelyDodo wrote:
LoL wishful thinking, what’s funny though half of the people thinking it’s wrong have said the same shit while being at Zarp but for some reason they now want to stand up for what’s right.

RedPowder wrote: I wonder what could be the issue here.... Oh right

B I A S

Where is the equal accountability policy when we need it. Important presidences being set here

RedPowder wrote: I remember when onion sent a CM a video of a 12-year-old fucking a dead bird (I don't have proof of it because he didn't send me that video I was only delighted with hearing the CM's discomfort from watching the video) first of all that could get said CM (I won't say who in-case he doesn't want to talk about it) in trouble as the video counted as child pornography onion didn't even get a talking to for it (at least within my knowledge). If he is mature enough to send someone a video of a 12-year-old fucking a dead bird he can definitely tolerate someone calling him the N-word. I'm not saying what System did is okay but demoting him because of onion's age is extreme.

Nick0GR wrote:
Agreed Agreed and Agreed, I’m a fan of Onion and he’s knows it’s but I will straight up tell yeah he’s said racist shit in “private” channels where it’s been the lead team and we have always just done the “oh onions getting banned” or “Your going to have to write a public apology” and played it off as a joke with him.

RedPowder wrote:

System is a confirmed black man so its not racist to say the n-word.

There are several people that want to keep System demoted that have said things ten times worse, you can’t pick and choose when offensive things are acceptable. I feel as if you being demoted was really harsh and a mistake.

When me and Clarky gave you your demotion we did try to emphasise that the importance and weight of what you said outweighed the lack of an official warning being given before.

At the time, you described the punishment as "Understandable". When people say they understand something, this usually means that they get the reasonings and - to a certain degree - agree with them.

Yet you appeal this punishment. If you do not mind me asking, what changed in the time that me and Clarky spoke to you that made you change your mind?

Tyler Durden wrote:
Yeah I just read clarky was apart of that demotion and he’s got skeletons too. Smh and how the hell did he get an official before for accidentally copy pasting some shit in admin chat ? I’m hoping there is more to that story because if that’s all then that’s some bullshit.

Raeker wrote:
I think system thought like he had to accept his fate but over time he has gone into a stage of self-regret and decided to appeal it rather than talking to the ts staff trying to get his rank back because he might not of wanted any arguments or anything alike which could end him in a worse situation. Still tho either way i don't agree with this seeing as last time he had an offical was months ago ive seen. May i ask how long are officals even valid for too? Cuz yea 0 tolerance but last time he did this was a while ago.

Well.. Basically this.. I knew i couldnt change anything, since ive allready apologised atleast 20 times to the guy, over steam/ts/Ingame.
- I was never warned for racism, ever. As a user or staff. Im gonna be honest and say, i did however recieve a official warning a year+ ago, nothing similar to this situation. The chat thing, I copy pasted accidentally..... People should know that..... But still didnt recieve a official for it though

This has been going on for a very long time between me and the guy i called that bad Word, ive always been calm and nice to him, where he usually made fun of me with a few different staff members the past few months. For example on surf, i was applying for surf SA, and some random dude got it so i had to wait a long time. Now this with Getzco for ha. Its obivously a incident of holding grudges. There is proof of where the guy acually told me "you'l never get into the lead team because you have a child, and you're too boring. Im afraid that, if someone says a really harsh joke, you'l get offended and try to get them punished" - Which i never published, there is a ton of proof about the guy. I never wanted him to get punished. I never reported him for leaking LT evidence to normal users "to friends" as he even said himself. Why does no one talk about that? Or when he got a users IP adress and sent it to him? I can go on... Ive always had my mouth shut and just followed what ever i got told, to prevent sheit like this. But then i get a Little too much to drink, and say something fucked up to my friend in a private channel with him in it, only. And this happends. There are situations where i told him as an admin "i hope to be able to do the same stuff you do one day" he made fun of me and the Whole community now talks about how he is my "idol" or something.
I was respecting higher ups and i talked to them in a nice way, which i also was made fun of by the guy and xnator, which then roasted me aswell, i was made fun of Again or "memed" as people call it. This has happend a dozen of times, i never reported Jack squad. But when i make one mistake, the Whole forum gather around to give me a piece of their mind. And to be honest, all of these comments really make you think. If this gets denied, i dont mind waiting until ts apps get opened, or until i get promoted on surf, if people let me. All of this is a journey ive learned quite allot about, and will never be forgotten.

I kept everything a secret to not harm anyone. I make one mistake, and i get f#cked over.. I dont want the staff team to become like the one back in 2015, people know what i mean with this. And obviously it got under my skin aswell you see, since i said stuff like that, but i cant do much more than to be sorry and apologise over and over Again.

RedPowder wrote:
Fuck sake you left us too soon

RedPowder wrote:
That's literally all he did, pretty sure that was before the 0 tolerance bullshit too.

Jack. wrote:
I only had one official which was given to me over a year ago by staff that are no longer here. And it was for something totally different, no disrespect, or anything similar. And i was an admin back then.

RedPowder wrote: I'm a very strong advocate for free speech but I'm also a very strong advocate for people being treated equally and fairly. I personally think the "no tolerance" rule is bullshit and an infringement on free speech but I still have to follow the rules like every other member of the community.

I can 100% guarantee if I went on Teamspeak and called a staff member the n word I would instantly be banned for at least a week, why should he get special treatment simply due to his past work. If anything he should be getting a harsher punishment than a normal user since he is staff, his job is to uphold the rules and set an example for the rest of the community not to break them. If it were up to me he would not be punished at all and the "no tolerance rule" would be removed but the rule is in place whether we like it or not and so he should be expected to follow it and to be punished when not following it.

Tyler Durden wrote: You can actually, as we've seen before with Morgan for example when something offensive is said on ZARP it is unacceptable and when it is said elsewhere it is perfectly acceptable.

LonelyDodo wrote: You are using the word bias but I don't think you know what it means, if you want the equal accountability policy in place then you would actually be a supporter of this punishment as arguing with the punishment means you are suggesting that he should be given a lighter punishment than any other member of the community.

I myself have broken the racism rule multiple times in the past on multiple servers and have been punished for it and waited out my punishments, once again I see no reason why SyStem should be exempt from this.