TOPIC: ⭐ [CM TEAM] Meeting Outcome 19/05/2025 ⭐

WTF happened to Watson in this meeting

Doxing meta

So if I doxx on SSRP I get 3 chances, but on any other ZARP service it's a CM ban?

Faithful wrote:
Nope, just to clarify: Communication Bans are a "new" form of punishment. They are not exclusive to doxxing and can be given out for continued harassment or other forms of continued verbal abuse. Doxxing can be punished with a communication ban, but only if its nothing major (ie. Digging out someone's real name from a private profile and calling them that on ZARP repeatedly against their will.). If an act of doxxing is more severe (be it in quantity or quality) or continued after a communication ban is handed out, you might face a community ban instead. The "three chances" only apply to multiple communication bans handed out over time, they are not meant to be - and will not be treated as "three chances to dox someone".

Faithful wrote:
There are two separate policies at play.

The Comms Ban Policy only applies to SSRP and is used for things like harassment or continued toxicity. In mild doxing cases, if the Community Team decides it’s appropriate, a comms ban might be issued under this policy.

The Doxing Policy is separate and applies to all ZARP platforms. Serious or malicious doxing usually results in an immediate Community Ban with no warnings. Whether it’s handled under the comms policy or the doxing policy depends entirely on the severity and what the Community Team decides is appropriate.

so im perm muted cool

we need players ahh change

Mr. Richard wrote:
Define mild doxing

This approach just isn’t sitting right with me even with clarification, why can’t you just have an outright ban against it, not even 30 mins after this post somebody was already “mild doxing”

Clarky wrote:
This policy was introduced after extensive internal discussions and several revisions. While we fully agree that doxing is a serious issue, we also recognize that each case can vary significantly in both severity and intent. Because of this, we chose not to apply a blanket permanent ban, but instead created a structured, case-by-case framework that allows for proportionate and appropriate responses.

The situation you referenced is precisely why this approach is necessary. Even incidents considered "mild" can still result in serious consequences depending on the context, and each case will be reviewed thoroughly. This policy is not about minimizing the issue, but about ensuring fair and consistent handling of complex situations.

The fact that you outline a reason for a comms ban being doxing just goes to show that no it isn’t taken serious enough, it should be one strike you’re out or you’re going to keep having this persistent issue and frustration amongst community members

Being part of the community should be a privilege not a given

The fact that you are giving these individuals four chances to stop doxxing shows that you are not taking the safety of your players seriously. Doxing the intentional sharing of someone’s personal information without their consent is a serious violation of privacy and, in many cases, illegal under the law.

FarR wrote:
You're getting the two policies mixed up. I'll clarify it once more: If you dox someone in a way where a community ban might be deemed "too harsh" (ie. simply calling someone by their first name which is not publicly available), you might instead get a communication ban initially. If you continue after your ban expires, you might very get a Community Ban instead since you clearly didn't learn your lesson. The "four chances" only apply to subsequent communication bans. If you get a communication ban for annoying someone by using their first name which is not publicly accessible, then a couple weeks after get another communication ban for constantly harassing players, you will get a longer ban. It doesn't mean you have to be communication banned four times in a row to get a Community Ban for doxing.

Martin wrote:
So if you are using people’s first names only you’d only get muted first even though you’ve went through the effort to find such information to harass said player? Also you’s keep highlighting “publicly accessible” what does that actually indicate like for example if a member of the community has a Facebook account with only IRL friends on it but it’s public and someone from zarp who doesn’t know them at all goes through the effort of trying to find such information and finds your name, face etc it’s okay for them to share it within zarp? Even though you don’t have said information on any zarp platform.

Also another question, since these policies are weirdly worded and two separate policies, under the “communications policy “ you’s state that after the 4th offense is a permanent community ban? Or are you’s just saying that it’s like just the type of ban on the servers. Quick way about it is it appealable after your fourth attempt.

OnionRings wrote:
What I gave was just a simple example. If something like that were to happen, we'd have to look at it on a case by case basis. The punishment is based on what information was shared, how it was obtained, how it was shared, how it affects the victim and any previous instances of harassment. I'm not saying that you can only get muted for what I described. It's just an example of what might qualify for a communication ban instead of a direct Community Ban. Communication Bans are in no way a "default" punishment for doxing, as mentioned in the Doxing Policy in section 5. It's just another punishment that can be issued, if its deemed appropriate for a specific case instead of a Community Ban.

It's hard to quantify "publicly accessible" information these days as any information you post online is potentially accessible. When it comes to determining whether or not information is "publicly accessible" in the context of our doxing policy, it basically boils down to looking at how you shared the sensitive information in question outside of ZARP and examining if - based on what other information you have shared on ZARP - you have a reasonable expectation that the information would not be easily accessible to people in the community.

For example, if I use the nickname "ReallyMartin" on ZARP, and I have a website or public profile on which I also use that nickname and I happen to intentionally include my real name on those websites, I would not have a reasonable expectation that my real name would be private. If I publicly post a picture of myself on a social media platform and use the nickname "ReallyMartin", I can't expect that information to be private.

Again, it's all down to be decided on a case by case basis whether or not information can reasonably be deemed "publicly accessible". There's no one-size-fits-all blanket statement about what is public or not, especially when you enter the territory of private profiles that you share with only specific members of the community.

OnionRings wrote:
Communication Bans are not exclusive to doxing, they can be handed out for other forms of continued verbal abuse. If you get multiple communication bans, their duration automatically goes up. Once you reach your fourth offense, you cannot receive another communication ban, and will instead receive a regular Community Ban which is permanent, but appealable.

OnionRings wrote: A permanent community ban is never permanent unless you’re a proven nonce so to say. I have no doubts a 5th chance will be given by unban in likely a couple months and if such behavioural patterns will continue, the cycle will only repeat itself. This is the strong impression I’m left with here because of the stupendous amounts of chances given to bad actors so unless I am mistaken and proven wrong when put into practice, it’s hard to really change that mindset and lack of confidence in the CM Team’s capability in dealing with such situations efficiently and effectively.

OnionRings wrote: im sorry bro i just cannot take any of ur questions seriously while that fuckass forums and steam pfp just is staring me down LMAO