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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155129

.uzi wrote:
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this will end up being a giant waste of time and energy from everyone involved
got everyones hopes up for nothing

This. No way I'm touching it without a reset.

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Holy shit!!!!!!!! FINALLY. I asked for this 10000 times. Made whole threads about this, and now its happening.

OK chief

But everybody expected it to get reset because that is what a true classic Zarp server would be.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155130

Narexa wrote:
.uzi wrote:
OG Dylan wrote:
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this will end up being a giant waste of time and energy from everyone involved
got everyones hopes up for nothing

This. No way I'm touching it without a reset.

OG Dylan wrote:
Holy shit!!!!!!!! FINALLY. I asked for this 10000 times. Made whole threads about this, and now its happening.

OK chief

But everybody expected it to get reset because that is what a true classic Zarp server would be.

There's no way this is going to work without a reset. Dumbest idea ever.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155140

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Hi everyone,

Obviously we had our CM team meeting last night - we discussed the prospect of launching this server on a fresh database in great detail. Some of you will be disappointed reading this however I'm afraid we will not be launching ZARP Classic on a new database for a number of reasons (of which, I'm happy to discuss as required).

My job now is to go through these replies, draft up some numbers and identify common items you lot want blacklisted in ZARP Classic. I'm going to push these numbers onto Chute & DEAD ASAP as I'd like to have this project started sooner rather than later.

I will leave the topic open for people to discuss things further if they'd like. If you've got any questions, feel free to contact me via Steam.

Cheers
Okay so I might not even bother playing this ngl, the wipe seems to be the only way for this to thrive and work successfully.
Great disappointment comes to me after reading this.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155160

Oh come on. You're making this server for yourselves, not the community at this point because it's gonna take some effort to create. You seem to forget you have like 4 people capable of coding something that might work (emphasis on the might). If you want more players, you have to work for it. The community has said what it would like, it's your jobs to try your best to implement our ideas. This doesn't look like your best efforts to me. Thanks for trying.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155167

A new DB should be a given here but somehow it isn’t. If this launched with a new DB it would draw people back and be perfect for new people. It would also serve as an excellent place to analyze how the old systems work and how they could be changed.

It could even serve as a perfect place to rebuild a better version of what ZARP has become without the inherent flaws it currently has.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155176

how about gangwars rp / bedwars rp
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155188

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how about gangwars rp / bedwars rp
imagine zarp gangwars holy fuck me n rhys were playing i got t4 on this server with a epic 8s legendary spas with god stats
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155191

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how about gangwars rp / bedwars rp
imagine zarp gangwars holy fuck me n rhys were playing i got t4 on this server with a epic 8s legendary spas with god stats
u didnt even invite me u spastic 7 year old
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155198

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how about gangwars rp / bedwars rp
imagine zarp gangwars holy fuck me n rhys were playing i got t4 on this server with a epic 8s legendary spas with god stats
u didnt even invite me u spastic 7 year old
reading who said what on this post
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155201

Spicy wrote:
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smo wrote:
smo harper wrote:
how about gangwars rp / bedwars rp
imagine zarp gangwars holy fuck me n rhys were playing i got t4 on this server with a epic 8s legendary spas with god stats
u didnt even invite me u spastic 7 year old
reading who said what on this post
this reminds me of something :whistle:
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155202

OxyFoxy wrote:
Spicy wrote:
smo harper wrote:
smo wrote:
smo harper wrote:
how about gangwars rp / bedwars rp
imagine zarp gangwars holy fuck me n rhys were playing i got t4 on this server with a epic 8s legendary spas with god stats
u didnt even invite me u spastic 7 year old
reading who said what on this post
this reminds me of something :whistle:
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155484

What do you think the server should be called? (leave this blank if you like ZARP Classic):

What map do you think the server should use? (Paste a Steam workshop link if possible):

Rockford v1b

What item(s) do you think should be banned/blacklisted from the server? (name as many as you like):
golden jugg/nano/scan/gluon/m202/edf/base shield
hyper/evo/visor/mummy suit
hand cannon
spartan laser
ion cannon
de-animator
flamethrower
valkyrie rocket
m303
emp grenade
portable emp
orange core grenade
nerve gas
nitros
scan master
edf suit
advanced tripmine
k398 predator

(thanks Sorle x) big minds think a like


Any other information:
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/general-d...on-on-classic-server

EDIT SORT OF LINKED TO THIS POST^^

After reviewing the Evilmelon there is like no way to make this a balance map for current metas unless you plan on making explosives do loads less radius damage and damage to props less, but it'd make a lot of things useless. Everyone is voting for a map that only worked in 2014 because of how no one used explosives for pvp and they were fairly balanced with how everything was. With Evilmelon it'll make basing nearly impossible as it's just easy to blow in to any place where the printers are. Having a map where you can't have a good base would be ruining a lot of peoples first opinions on the servers which you don't want because people probably won't come back after their first bad impression on the server.

Take a look at two "good base locations" (not really lol)
IMO these are shit and will probably be raided easily unless explosives are drastically change

https://imgur.com/a/mSAe0jQ

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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155488

I don't know why the community team think everyone wants to reset the server because of some nostalgia trip
I'm not sure if anyone in the community team actually plays the game but it isn't fun anymore you added ridiculous items making it impossible to base, raid the bank or do anything without being rich.

People want a reset so everyone is on a level playing ground and have a fair chance. If you don't have a big org or an endless supply of gluon guns/suits you literally can't do anything on zarp. People want old zarp to come back because the old combat system was better and basing was actually worth it.

I'm not sure why you're so hooked on nostalgia and thinking people will stop playing once the nostalgia is gone. For me at least I don't care about the nostalgia, zarp before suits and all these special weapons were added was a better game and a lot more enjoyable than what it is currently. If the majority of the community agrees with this then I can't understand why you refuse to implement a reset
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155494

Sounds cool, i would definitely come back if a classic server is released not just for nostalgia but to actually have fun once again. :lol:
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155502

If you want my opinion on how those servers should be,
just read this thread I made 2 years and 9 months ago
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/server-is...er-strawpoll-updates
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155789

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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155930

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so this will be a basing server which will ruin the economy even more, nice
we just want a zarp where not every second person has billions

People want that for nostalgia. That's the reason.

If we create a server which is just based on people wanted to hold onto that feeling of nostalgia, as was attempted with Friendly Players in the past, the server will just die out incredibly quickly as soon as users no longer get that same feeling, which does always go away once you get used to it again.

What we want to create is not something which will just draw in old players and let people relive a little bit of nostalgia. We want to create a server which is a little friendlier for new players so that they can base, so essentially, yes, this will be a basing server. However, something that we can do is have certain special printers / printer boosters disabled on the server to give people a reason to take the risk of basing on the main servers.

A lot of people seem to be getting the wrong idea about this. We know that we can't please everyone in the community. That will never happen, because in any environment, people will always want something besides what they actually get, the whole "grass is greener on the other side" thing. We will not do any kind of server reset at any point, but nor will we remove all of the items from the main server that make ZARP unique and fun compared to other servers.

The best middle ground that we could find on this was the idea of a ZARP Classic server (a name like ZARP Combat may be more suited to the server itself in all fairness), in which certain items will be disabled so that people can't use OP methods of raiding / defending or making money (suits, x4 printer boosters, some special weapons, etc.)
People want that for nostalgia. That's the reason.

If we create a server which is just based on people wanted to hold onto that feeling of nostalgia, as was attempted with Friendly Players in the past, the server will just die out incredibly quickly as soon as users no longer get that same feeling, which does always go away once you get used to it again.
I think you're misunderstanding a little, people want a fresh db so that they can do simple things such as raid pd or bank etc, without getting skull fucked by multiple suits.

Think about it, everyone used to love using the psg and svu, but now it's changed to suits and gluons, and what ever special weapons. I just don't see the fun in a sort of pvp that just requires you to hold mouse one and swing your mouse from left to right, compared to one where you need to show at the very least, a little bit of aim, and I am very sure a lot of people think this too.

People don't want this to draw in old players or for a nostalgia trip. You need to consider the fact that people who were not even around when zarp was at its "prime" want to see this server with a clean database.
What we want to create is not something which will just draw in old players and let people relive a little bit of nostalgia. We want to create a server which is a little friendlier for new players so that they can base, so essentially, yes, this will be a basing server. However, something that we can do is have certain special printers / printer boosters disabled on the server to give people a reason to take the risk of basing on the main servers.
You want to create a server that is friendlier to new players? Then just start it on a new db so that no one will be stupendously rich, or have items that makes their time when playing a literal walk in the park when it comes to raiding or defense.

Secondly I am sure you guessed it, it will make everything A LOT more balanced than keeping some of the the special weapons that people may have skipped over in their suggestions.
This also has a great benefit! IT WILL BE BALANCED FOR NEW PLAYERS!

Finally, when it comes to printers as well as items, I think this the diamond, bdp and gencorp should be nice a long with a 2 or 3x booster so that the economy will not inflate to the size of Robs forehead, but discussions about items and other printers should be held off until the server goes live so that you can see what the majority of players want after actually playing on the server.
A lot of people seem to be getting the wrong idea about this. We know that we can't please everyone in the community. That will never happen, because in any environment, people will always want something besides what they actually get, the whole "grass is greener on the other side" thing. We will not do any kind of server reset at any point, but nor will we remove all of the items from the main server that make ZARP unique and fun compared to other servers.
This is just how it looks to me, but it seems like you're thinking more of what the minority will want over the majority.
We are fully aware that you cannot please everyone, but you should focus on what the larger mass of people actually want.

Think about this, would you rather have the shit that a small amount of people want so that they can play on the server, or would you prefer what the larger amount of people want so that they can play as well as populate the server? I am sure you already know the answer to this.

We're not or no longer asking for items to be removed from normal ssrp, but the majority don't want them infecting the classic server that has a huge amount of potential.
The best middle ground that we could find on this was the idea of a ZARP Classic server (a name like ZARP Combat may be more suited to the server itself in all fairness), in which certain items will be disabled so that people can't use OP methods of raiding / defending or making money (suits, x4 printer boosters, some special weapons, etc.)
When it comes to the server name, you should aim for something more attractive. Show off what the server has to offer if you will.

New players tend to not have the privilege of owning or joining a gang with prop protection, so a lot of the special weapons can easily fuck their base up, don't forget about that.
A LOT of special weapons can be used for OP methods of raiding at the very least to players without prop protection so what would be the point in simply removing some of them?
I do agree with removing suits and x4s, but a lot more thought has to be put into items.
Like I've stated before, I suggest starting a new db without the specials weapons that cause chaos, and later down the line, see what the people want to be added.

I just woke up boss man so you can expect shit grammar, but hopefully you get some sort of idea where most people are coming from when they say they want a new database.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155956

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Imagine ironically thinking this is just a nostalgia trip.

People want a new db so people can actually have something to do, if you use the same db then everyone will still be rich and still have all of the items which means everyone will still be bored and the player count will be a solid 0. Having a fresh db will give the devs a chance to re-do everything and re-release content but correctly this time, and hey maybe its not too late and you could revive the server.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155963

It would be great if the team for once get off their high horses and listen to the players. It's been a while.

3 years ago RedPowder almost thought I was an idiot for this idea. We all seen this coming.
It was obvious the servers would die, and oh boy what was I right.

This reviving idea is all good and could work, but only if they will listen to the players who were part of the community all those years. We all left around the same time, for the same reasons.

The irony my user title was "vanilla servers pls" for like 3 years, let's hope it is finally coming true with a clean database.

Also as we all got older and have responsibilities, I am not able to make another in-depth explanation of what should be done, but hey; I am open for a phone call with any of the lead team and express my opinions.
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[SSRP] ZARP Classic Server 4 years 7 months ago #1155976

You guys are very ungrateful smh
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