TOPIC: [Server Suggestion] SCP: Secret Laboratory

If you want to have an SCP server, I strongly suggest you work on your attitude because it was appalling when myself and Xnator was speaking to you. You're acting like we're so against idea which we WASN'T but you saying it took you an hour to complete the server is beyond ridiculous which is why we asked how do the plugins work, what coding language are they coded in but you had zero idea and kept dodging the question until we had to find out for ourselves which just shows you don't have a single idea on what the hell you're even doing.

Why am I posting this on the forums you may ask? To prevent you from being so snarky about it to others, don't go around and ruin others reputation because this is literally on you, none of us.

Oh and if you're wondering what brought me to posting this here you go:

The API was updated within 2 days of the update, which I found with a couple of quick Google searches and checking the Github page for the addon (given that Richard isn't a developer, I wouldn't really expect him to think of checking the Github page, but given the desire to create and own a server, I would expect a little more effort to be put in).

The last thing that we want is for any drama to be started or for anyone to feel less motivated to work in the community, although we do also want to keep things realistic, as I know from experience that starting work on a server and spending hours working on it only then to find out that the idea itself is not going to be considered is a lot worse than having a realistic expectation from the start.

To clarify, the reason that I was quite shocked when we spoke with Richard about this was the manner that I was met with when I was trying to work out what was going on. As someone who created 2 servers from scratch which got added to ZARP, has owned every Pointshop server besides BHOP at some point and has tried to create a few other servers which never came to fruition, it is quite frustrating for someone to say "oh yeah I've done this in an hour and it's ready to present / release" (It was stated by Richard that the server was ready for release in ZARP itself, not just a raw setup). Of course, I wanted to be sure that the idea had been given the appropriate levels of thought and that the people who wanted to own it were going to be capable of doing so. We want our servers to be able to stand out against those of other communities, and so when the person making the suggestion itself says directly that you "cannot add much to the game" and that "it would just be a generic server but it would get players because we have players in the community", it comes across that this is simply an attempt to take advantage of an easy route to owning a server (and it doesn't work this way at all).

We want to see unique servers which have had time and effort put into them to create the best experience possible, making the server itself stand out from other servers. A suggestion post itself, as such, should always include some of the key unique features that will be on the server - as this is not a gmod server, there isn't the Pointshop to make the server more unique, so even more thought and time would have to go into it in this case. The excuse that it is "impossible" to do so does not hold true, as my research into this led me to finding a whole array of existing plugins for servers, and an updated API (for C#) which opens up a whole range of opportunities. Given that Richard is not a developer, we would obviously not expect him to create custom and unique features, but we would expect someone who wants to own a server to be able to come up with ideas which could then be worked on by one of the existing developers in the community with knowledge of the language (given that this is C#, that would be myself, Chute, DEAD or uzi) or for someone else to be taken onto the project to work on things like this.

All in all, we're probably not going to be expanding out into more new games at the current time, given that we are already planning to release a server on a new game (TF2) and have some other stuff in the works. Given that this season is also the busiest time for the CM Team around updates and holidays, we really just don't have the time to reliably oversee such a project currently, unless a specific CM Team member or existing Server Owner were interested in taking a lead and helping a project like this to be completed properly. Of course, this doesn't rule out new ideas for the future at all, and we can always put ideas for new servers onto our backlog to work on and oversee once we do have the time.

Hopefully this helps you to understand our viewpoint a bit better and anyone else who is a bit confused on the matter. This isn't to say this can't happen or that we're ruling it out, just that a lot of time will need to be put into coming up with some ideas for it to really make it stand out. If you do wish to continue working on this, then I wish you the best of luck.

Making servers are hard, it isn't dragged and drop and if we wanted to put anything on the server that isn't made by them then it would end up being hard, one because its a completely different game that we don't play and two, we wouldn't know how to fix issues that might be really easy to fix. There is a lot more effort that goes into servers than you think, For example here is an admin system that they made LINK. We don't ever go for "basic" gamemodes we always like to add benefits for VIP's and other things so that would have to come from us as they won't have that.

Even after that the only person that has that game on the CM team is uzi and hasn't played it anywhere near to the degree to understand what it would need to make a whole server for it. Understanding the game is needed to make the server or you will just have half-broken things with the owners trying to figure out how the game even plays.

Making servers are hard, it isn't dragged and drop and if we wanted to put anything on the server that isn't made by them then it would end up being hard, one because its a completely different game that we don't play and two, we wouldn't know how to fix issues that might be really easy to fix. There is a lot more effort that goes into servers than you think, For example here is an admin system that they made LINK. We don't ever go for "basic" gamemodes we always like to add benefits for VIP's and other things so that would have to come from us as they won't have that.

Even after that the only person that has that game on the CM team is uzi and hasn't played it anywhere near to the degree to understand what it would need to make a whole server for it. Understanding the game is needed to make the server or you will just have half-broken things with the owners trying to figure out how the game even plays.

Nah me and Markus would be too good

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Markus wrote:
3 mins out the building 5 if we nuking