TOPIC: [DR] Ace disrespecting me and a player

Name: ✯ Ace ✯
Steam id:STEAM_0:1:58006492
Tier 1:1
Reason:He has disrespected me and other member of the community.
Evidence: steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=268442785
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=268442871

Okay so me just saying "I was typing asshole" not even directed at anyone and calling you a "sour puss" which means a person that takes things to literally is disrespecting? Note the rules only also say respect staff members and "I was typing asshole" is not harassment to this "player". I also even told you twice that i was joking and you even unfairly warned for this. If people get warned for this simple stuff most people would have at least a couple of warns on them.

I would also like to point out that Ace has continued the disrespect by basically making sarcastic remarks, he was even allowing other players to say disrespectful things about smoggy in regards to this post. Unfortunately I have no evidence of these events.

SIDE NOTE: I am taking no sides in this matter just mentioning what I saw, I have nothing against you Ace so please don't take it personally.

Ace, so calling a player an asshole isnt disrespect because if you look in the evidence its "i was typing you asshole"

Clocket wrote:
A sarcastic remark is not disrespect, also I did not allow others to say disrespectful things about him and even if I did Smoggy could have dealt with them himself due to the disrespect being towards him and him already warning me for disrespect.
smoggysmashet wrote:
Yes but as I have stated 3 times now it wasn't directed at a particular anyone and was meant as a joke.

It didnt really seem like sarcasm at the time that you said it.

smoggysmashet wrote:
That's because sarcasm is hard to pick up on in writing.

Still ace sarcasm like this doesn't make the staff look good.

Okay so i was there when this happened and i think this has been taken too far ...
Ace did say I was typing Asshole ... Yes asshole is not a nice word but he was not directing it at anyone it was him having a joke ... You can argue it was not a clear joke but mainly everyone took it in that way.

I have to say there has been people that have said and done worse and meant it in the horrible way and they have got away with it because some people find that banter and others dont .. Guys this is honestly silly.

I dont believe that he should be demoted for it because if thats the case for him saying asshole, and the the other bits of desrespect was Ace trying to ask why he was warned and why he was getting warned for what he said.

Minimanya wrote:
Thank you Manya'Jayne for a post that is professional, well written, and helps solve this dispute. Very helpful!

Its obvious that it was directed towards Moga because he'd just killed ace and i don't believe a staff member should get away with this without further punishment

smoggysmashet wrote:
Okay, smoggy to end this arguement once and for all about me "calling Mogadonskoda an asshole" I will message him and ask him if he took it persoanally and wants me demoted for it and will post the screenshot here. okay?

I would just like to point out that this is NOT a demotion request, It is for a formal warning, and I believe what Ace did falls under a tier 1 warning.

Secondly what I mentioned in my earlier post happened after this thread was made, not at the time of the incident.

This is starting to look like the fight between Chainsaw Panda and mj4...

As Mini said, the way people take these words differs per person. Ace saying "I was typing, asshole" does direct to someone. I agree that he could choose different words, but instantly demoting him for swearing seems a bit far fetched.

At most Ace will be given a warning, and not be demoted. It's better to ignore people that swear at you, instead of immediately requesting him to be demoted. If you can't deal with this person being a Moderator, find evidence (not including swearing, except if it's a lot) and give arguments as to why he should be demoted.

Since I don't want to repeat what happened just two days ago with Chainsaw and mj4, I suggest an admin close this thread, and if that doesn't work, get these two in a Teamspeak chat and talk it out.

Greetings,
Light.

Well as the person who is this 'player', I wasn't exactly like yay I got called an asshole. And I believe it was directed at me since it was because I killed you while you were typing. So how are you directing that to anyone else?

Secondly, as Clocket mentioned, you made sarcastic remarks and disputed the verbal warning given out as seen in the first picture. All you had to do was say was that you were sorry and that would have been that, but you continued the convosation by disputing a verbal warning. Like it was just a verbal warning, it isn't the end of the world.

I believe Smoggy took correct action with the first warn but I think further punishment would be fit in my opinion as if Ace wasn't a staff member they would have been warned multiple times in my opinion. And I don't think it is acceptable that Ace was so defiant bout his warning and the reasoning. It was immature and doesn't set a good example, not what a good admin should be doing.

Also saying that sarcasm isn't being disrespectful, it is from my definition. It makes you seem arrogant and as though you didn't care for smoggy's authority.
Which is not being respectful.

Imagine you were in school, I doubt many teachers would appreciate someone to be defiant of what they were saying, saying that their punishment was unfair, and making up lame excuses while being sarcastic and acting like the whole thing is a joke. That teacher wouldn't think you were showing any respect. So why in this case should it not count as disrespect.

But, I don't think them major problem is calling me an asshole, I can live on. I think it's how he reacted to being told not to disrespect that is the problem, it shows a certain level of immaturity if you are unable to deal with a warning. But I think a demotion straight off would be unfair.

Now this is just my opinion and point of view, make of it what you wish. Also I'm sorry if there are grammatical errors/spelling errors I am doing this from my phone!

I will admit I was being slightly immature but as you stated the sarcasm point is an opinion. I can take the warn but I just didn't understand why smoggy had warned me for the "sour puss" part as it is just a type of person. But sense you are the main person in all of this I think this case can be closed and put in the past and we can all move on. I could have used better wording most defiantly, but I was doing this on instinct as I have been having a bad day. As I would think is in order I am saying sorry for calling you an asshole and calling smoggy a sour puss and dragging this on any longer than it really should have. As I said earlier in this post lets just forget any of this happened and stop frolicking on this topic and start to enjoy ourselves.

Apology accepted

I also do accept this apology.

Ace will receive a warning for lack of professionalism.

ACCEPTED