TOPIC: [FORUMS] Punishment Request - TheXnator

Name - TheXnator
Steam-ID - N/A
Evidence Of Steam-ID - N/A
Server - Forums
Time And Date (CET) - 6pm 11/10/2020
Other Comments - N/A
Reason - Falsely removing my post.
Story - I posted a reply to this thread: zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/10-announ...nd-online-harassment stating that I personally don't agree that refusing to report someone is the same as helping them to break whatever rule they broke. I stand by this opinion and it is a perfectly reasonable opinion to have as well. It does not break any rules and should not have been removed. When I messaged Xnator on discord asking why my post was removed all he said was that he was going to reply to me but he "didn't appreciate the attitude". Then when I asked again he said "Feel free to ask again when you can be respectful about it" despite the fact that I didn't disrespect him in any way. I wasn't the most respectful I'll admit and I will post the Discord DMs below but I did not disrespect him in any way, I messaged him the same way I would message anyone else who had falsely removed my forum post and refused to tell me why.
Proof - I only have the discord DMs to post as proof of how he responded:



The exact wording of my post which was removed was "refusing to report someone is hardly the same as helping them do it lol" or something along those lines.

I would like to state that I do not want TheXnator or Chuteuk to handle this report. I would also not like it to be locked, moved or removed until it is handled.

So only EMP can handle this?

EviIstewie wrote: Yup

Denis wrote: and Sally?

biosenic wrote:
Only a Community Owner can handle a punishment request against another Community Owner - luckily EMP has been on every day for the past 10 days so he should be able to deal with this tonight.

TheXnator wrote: Alright thanks mate

Feels like something best settled in the DMs though

TheXnator wrote: I would think its not so lucky for you Xnator unless there’s a particular reason you are so confident that the report will go your way despite your wrongdoing being clear as day?

Also you still haven’t given a real reason as to why my post was removed despite replying to me multiple times in DMs and now on the forums as well.

Nick0GR wrote: Well as you can see I tried to settle it in DMs and he made it clear he wasn’t going to reply properly so I made this report. Regardless of how it is “best settled” he falsely removed my post and should be punished for doing so. Also I’d like to add that the last time I tried to settle one of my punishments in DMs I was blocked for no real reason.

ok so, I saw your original comment. In your original post, you state it was something along the lines of "refusing to report someone is hardly the same as helping them do it lol". I can confirm that this is almost identical if not identical to the message you posted. As you rightly stated, it does not break any rules of the server.

This is a continous problem on the server. I see many harmless posts removed. You could argue "A response today would be nice fella" was a mean comment, but I don't think it's a cause for great offense. It's a known thing that TheXnator can take a long time to reply to messages for further comment, if at all. I was banned for 2 days a while ago - the first thing I did was contact TheXnator. A few hours later, other members of the Lead Team agreed there was no problem but could not undo the ban until they could contact TheXnator properly about it. The ban was then removed an hour before it expired, 47 hours later, when I was asleep and the ban was already as good as over. A month later I still have NO reply from him as to WHY I was actually banned. Additionally, the attitude of "well I *was* going to reply, but now I won't" is incredibly childish and is not something a staff member of this server should do, let alone someone in TheXnator's position.

This user did not break any rules. His "disrespect" was mild at worst, and it took longer for the admin to be upset at the user and reject them than to actually give a clear explanation, the lack of which for this sort of action is a continuous pattern. I do not know who this Denis guy is and I think TheXnator is alright in spite of these annoyances, so I don't think I'm particularly biased. This seems like a pretty clear-cut case.

Denis wrote:
Denied for obvious reasons!

POV You get ignored / ghosted by xnator don't feel bad he has never responded to my messages

Sp00ns wrote: No idea what ur on about

TheXnator can't be demoted ! it's the destiny !

In fairness, you only gave xnator 20 minutes, but I've heard he usually takes long to reply to a message. In all honesty its a complete joke that neither chute or xnator can accept what seems like a civil conversation, kinda shows how zarp is run as a whole.

Hey Denis,

I have looked over this for you. I can't really speak for Xnator but looking at your post and the others that were deleted on that thread I can say that I would have probably deleted your post as well. My reasoning behind this is it is a very serious thread and your contribution was not really constructive. If you had put some more effort into your post like others on that thread did I'm sure it could have been left up, but it was just a one liner. Personally I would also like to see that type of discussion in a thread dedicated to it. I know you guys sadly don't understand this but this really is an issue of life and death. Either that be the person receiving the harassment being pushed to unfortunately make a permanent decision to end their life. Or on the other side when the people doing the harassment get caught up by the law and have their lives ruined as well. I feel if you have imminent knowledge that a crime has been committed and you do not report it you are failing your obligation under the social contract that we all so much enjoy. Not to mention it gets even more weird legally because I would imagine a prosecutor who if got access to discord chat logs would look to go after anyone who had promoted it as server owners or moderators that allowed it to happen on their platforms. As well as go after anyone who had engorged such activities (Laughing at it, supporting, ect).

This is even more so the case if the person falling to report is a member of the staff team. Someone who we have put a large amount of trust in and given them the authority to decide who gets to play on servers and who doesn't. How can we maintain that level of trust with someone who won't even do the simplest thing and report to us when illegal activity is happening against members of the community. Obviously that would be something we would be very interested in hearing about regardless of if the person is community banned and honestly even more if they were community banned. Because then we can make note of that and when that person eventually appeals their ban we can look back and say wow this person was banned for Doxxing people and it took him ten months of being banned before they stopped doing it. Then we probably shouldn't unban that person because its only actually been two months since they stopped causing trouble.

My last thought would be more general advise for everyone and it applies to both your interactions here and with people in real life. Its very important to consider how others perceive how you are coming off to them. Especially when dealing with text where it is very hard to convey infliction and other vocal ticks. Demanding a response and then instantly going on about how your post was falsely removed not just removed. Instantly sets a hostile footing and is no way to have a proper discussion of issues. I guarantee if you approach the situation in a non hostile way that you can have a thoughtful discussion were both sides can explain their reasonings and reach a conclusion. If you can't then I am more then happy to intervene and help moderate the situation. But you don't leave your self a great place to stand on when your being impatient and then set the tone of the conversation to be hostile. Xnator clearly told you that he was going to give you a reply but he was busy doing a meeting. Deleting a post and then giving a thoughtful explanation to someone as to why you deleted something are two completely different thing. Perception is key and while you can't always control what others perceive of you there are definitely things that you can keep conscious that will effect your interactions with others both online and in the real world. You will find you have a much better time in both when others perception of you doesn't come off as so negative.