TOPIC: [TTT] Demote Request - IEeatBlueCrayons

IEatBlueCrayons

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IEatBlueCrayons RDMed me. What happened was Mace Mace said "Hes got a knife" and then killed himself. I immediately IDed the body. Then he Just shot me because I was closest person to Mace Mace. When I reported him he gave the response that there were unIDed bodies littered all over the floor but if you check the logs, Mace Mace was the only real death that round considering that the only other person that died was killed by the world. IEatBlueCrayons RDMed me, lied about it in his response, then he just started making excuses.

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Proof:
The Logs for the Round -
Report chat with IEatBlueCrayons Part 1 - https://imgur.com/a/2kqMSEO
Report chat with IEatBlueCrayons Part 2 - https://imgur.com/a/pQZQYvP

Out of interest did anything happen to mace mace after this?

Oh and it wouldn't really be RDM as by saying "he has a knife" mace is calling a KOS. So if anything mace is the rulebreaker here.

No, nothing happened to him. IEatBlueCrayons killed me on sus either way because Mace Mace never said I was the one with the knife, nor did I ever purchase a knife. And IEatBlueCrayons didn't attempt to say that Mace Mace basically called a KOS on me. all he said was it looked like I knifed him and that's why he killed me.

ManOfLegendz wrote:
Given the context of mace yelling "He has a knife", then dying with you next to him and identifying the body anyone would jump to the conclusion that he was talking about you having the knife, especially if your were right next to him and he dropped dead. He may have said that it looked like you knifed him but that would only be because of the context to mace's death provided by mace. It was a really scummy thing to do and he is more at fault than the mod.

Mr Red X wrote: Its a demote request so SA and up can handle.

Yeah I know but he still killed on sus and what really pisses me off is that when I reported him he made up some bullshit excuse that "The ground was littered with unIDed bodies" to try to get me to trash the report when there were no unIDed bodies. I'm still trying to contact someone who can get my report and his response to it so that I can prove that he was Lying.

ManOfLegendz wrote:
Hi ManOfLegendz,

It wasn't my intention to piss you off, but Miia has already stated a position on this that I share. Unfortunately mistakes do happen, and this one seems to have been intentionally created by Mace Mace. I'm glad you took the time to post here as I suggested and I hope you can see my side of this scenario.

On the issue of my LIR, I happen to of mixed you up with someone else, people didn't seem to take kindly to me killing in those rounds, regardless whether it was justified or not, which is why I didn't stay very long!

Miia wrote: Despite Mace doing that, it is still technically a kill off suspicion. Mace never specifically stated who had the knife,never called a kos on anyone, nor did BlueCrayons witness him get knifed. However, it is quite obvious what Mace was attempting to do and in turn, baited BlueCrayons, causing him to kill ManofLegendz. This seems like it was a simple mistake and BlueCrayons used logic in the situation,even though he may have been in the wrong. I dont think a punishment is necessary in this case.

Yung Henny wrote: Im sorry but thats not suspicion at all. If a user screams "He has a knife" and i turn around to see someone run up to them, they die and then that user identifies the body, i can be pretty certain the guy who was screaming about it was refering to that person. As was recently brought up there is actually nothing mentioning the correct way to KOS, as a result a name is not always even needed. For example Mace tries this same thing again, i watch him and another player walk into the bottom of the tester where he screams "AH HE HAS A KNIFE" then the player identifies his body, same situation and its not killing on sus to kill the player who identified the body. I am being given wrong information by an innocent so acted upon it, its basically a false KOS. Mace is 100% at fault for this and should have been warned.

Miia wrote: This was off of suspicion in my opinion, as he never specifically stated who had the knife. He could have been referring to someone at another location of the map. An example would be if he was by the nether portal and witnessed someone knife another individual by the tower, says that, and then gets instantaneously sniped. Is the person closest to him suddenly guilty and kosed? (I know this is a very specific and rare example that would require certain circumstances to actually take place, but you get my point.) It would be logical to automatically assume its the person nearest, but that doesnt necessarily mean they commited the act, especially in an open space, as their are many other individuals which could have affected the outcome. However it if occurred in a closed space then it is quite different, as their is less likely to be as much external influence, and as your bottom of the tester example shows it is near impossible for anyone else to have committed the act and it is essentially a KOS. Location is a key factor in this. Also, BlueCrayons did lie in the report about the multiple unided bodies, so theres that. Again, however, BlueCrayons should not be punished for the RDM as he was baited into doing it.

Yung Henny wrote: can I just say that you should both get SA because you know the rules terribly well and I see that you're doing a really decent job

Yung Henny wrote: While in a case as you describe yes there are other factors so yeah, they would have to at least check the body first or it would be sus. However in the scenario described in the report i would argue against it being killing on sus, at least if everything that has been said is assumed to be true. Assuming this that would mean when Crayons said "it looked like you stabbed him", that would mean they were point blank range and thus he would have clear line of sight, meaning he would have likely seen if he was sniped or if there was a possibility it was someone else nearby. If in a situation like that the user who dies screams "He has a knife" i do not see that in any way as sus.

Also 1000 posts yay

Miia wrote: Good point, there is a lot of variables to take in and I understand why you view it as not sus. Lets agree to disagree and let the LT who deals with it come up with their own verdict, and take into account both of our arguments.

Handling now ~

Miia wrote: Yeah, I agree with Miia here. As our were infront of him when he died and he said "he has a knife" right before he died it would look like you knifes him
Macro was in the wrong to me here and this is a tricky situation. Crayons could've been a bit more careful but I still understand his point of view

Would it be on supsicion if I had seem him knife Mace Mace and it actually of been correct? As right now that seems to be what you are arguing for. Mace Mace did what he did to bait and it worked.

This whole situation highights what I dislike most about TTT on ZARP, being that all decision making is taken out of the players hands and the only time you have to use any kind of problem solving is when someone reports you. We are debating whether KOS on someone I absolutely believed to have stabbed a player right infront of me is suspicion or not? As I said before, if he had actually stabbed him would we still be in the same situation?

In this case, it's very clear that once Mace shouted "he has s KNIFE" and ManOfLegendz happens to be there at the same time is very unfortunate. Mace clearly staged this and got ManOfLegendz killed for no reason.

Bluecrayons had every single reason to kill ManOfLegendz as I would do the same in that case.
A very unfortunate mistake that happened because someone tried to be funny, in any case, Mace should have been verbal warned to not do that again as it tends to cause trouble.

EDIT

Reading through this again and the imgurs,

Bluecrayons stated "Obviously from an outside perspective it would look like you stabbed him" Saying this and not actually seeing ManOfLegendz killing someone is killing on sus.

Kurze is stupid

LonelyDodo wrote:
I am.

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