TOPIC: [TTT] Demote Request - IEeatBlueCrayons

Kurzex wrote:
No I did see him, it's talking in past tense as by that time I knew Mace Mace had baited.

Found a clip of the incident, judge as you like.

youtu.be/lI3jTjiOEHQ (text link as direct upload doesnt seem to work)

IEatBlueCrayons wrote: After seeing that its pretty obvious he didn't actually have a knife. That doesn't change that fact that what mace mace did was scummy as fuck. Its also pretty obvious that in that situation he was clearly referring to daddy smurf, as he just told him to stop following him then screamed it. The way i see it as blind as you were i would still say that is enough to count it as mace KOSing daddy smurf.

IEatBlueCrayons wrote:
Thank you for proving that you killed on suspicion AKA RDMed.

LonelyDodo wrote:
No worries man, I have nothing to hide. It's easy to see that he doesn't have a knife when looking for it, but when you are otherwise distracted to what he is holding, maybe not. I still don't see how this would be kill on suspicion, but that's just my opinion that doesn't count for much.

IEatBlueCrayons wrote: sounds like a kos to me

LonelyDodo wrote: Dodo i love you but after seeing that video i think you are wrong. As was mentioned a while ago there is nothing stating how a proper KOS should be made, in this video it shows mace clearly addressing daddy smurf saying "why are you following me" before screaming "he has a knife". In this case he is clearly saying that daddy smurf has a knife and then dies, would it still have been sus if mace had actually been stabbed? At this point daddy was already KOSed under mace's words, we do not punish the player who acts on it, we punish the person who calls the false KOS. Mace even says "im pretty sure its daddy smurf" before he does it like what more do you need.

This is both the fault of IEatBlueCrayons and the person calling the 'KOS' as IEatBlueCrayons watched the fight happen and saw no knife being pulled out and the person calling the 'KOS' called it falsely saying that he does.

Jax wrote: When the person who followed a false KOS is deemed equally as bad as the person who called the false KOS. What has TTT become. His intent clearly was not to RDM as he was mislead by a innocent. Im a little shocked that so many people seem to be more against IEeatBlueCrayons than the innocent that literally killed themself to try to get someone killed.

Miia wrote:
There is a difference between watching the fight happen and the person saying that he has a knife than not watching the fight and the person saying he has a knife. Hence why i said both are in the wrong while yes the user was purposely doing this, ultimately RDM is still RDM and if IEatBlueCrayons didn't watch this fight happen then my view on this would be different however that is not the case. IEatBlueCrayons should be only told to be more careful and be more aware inside situations like these and the user should be punished for calling the KOS too.

Just saying, I understand where all the admins are coming from. But if he had a clear line of sight he would have seen that I did not knife him. I suspect that he saw it out of the corner of his screen or wasn't paying attention and just acted upon suspicion. But I guess since some admins are on one side and some are on another, I'll just wait this out and see what happens.

Jax wrote: Show me the rule where it says i have to check a KOS is valid before i kill the KOSed player. With watching that fight happen you are given the following information, daddy is suspected of being a traitor, they are following mace mace and they have a knife. Where is the rule saying i need to verify they have a knife before i kill them? A false KOS is a KOS, no rules were broken by IEeatBlueCrayons for following it. We have a system in place for people who do not pay attention, its called karma, we don't punish people who act on false KOSes from traitors who have been killed an identified as traitor so why should we punish for this?

ManOfLegendz wrote:
When looking at the tape for the knife then yes it really is obvious that you do not have a knife, but when in game and not specificaly looking for a knife (he only shouted that you had a knife at the last second) it's not always as obvious.

Miia wrote:
Because he randomly screamed it out when if he was to have a knife earlier and he saw it he would of said it then and there and not wait later on to say it later. You can see clearly in the video that he was not holding a knife. In his inventory he didn't even have a knife and with IEatBlueCrayons watching that fight it is obvious that he is not holding a knife. He did not exactly KOS him but instead he called out a knife meaning that he is KOS but over the fact that he was carrying a knife in which he was not and never did. So IEatBlueCrayons should of seen that and not acted upon that as the KOS was purely based upon the user carrying a knife in which he was not and it was visible by IEatBlueCrayons that he was not.

Jax wrote:
You are relying that I was aware that he did not have a knife at the time of the incident as the basis of the argument, I was not aware that he did not have a knife. Unfortunately I am human and did not recognize that, long days at work something something...

If this is punishable then does that mean being tricked is punishable?

Jax wrote: I don't know about you but when someone says "They have a knife", you know a traitor item i would say thats pretty much saying i should kill them on sight, but who knows maybe im the strange one. Again this does not change the fact that a KOS was still called, by saying he had a traitor weapon you are saying they are a traitor and should be killed on sight. We do not punish people for not verifying if a KOS is valid before killing the KOSed player, for all you know IEeatBlueCrayons was looking at the sky in that video heard mace mace say what he said and then killed daddy smurf for it, which he is allowed to do as daddy smurf was KOSed. This is why the karma system exists and IEeatBlueCrayons broke no rules.

Miia wrote:
The thing is IEatBlueCrayons saw this happen however if he didn't i wouldn't be saying what i'm saying now. He was KOSed because of holding a knife (In which he NEVER was) and IEatBlueCrayons saw this and then continued to act upon the KOS anyways regardless of him seeing the knife or not. I'm not saying KOSes need to be verified but i'm saying that if you see it all happening then you should know by what you see what is true and what is false and you know when to act upon KOSes and when to not. This 'KOS' in particular and the way it went down and how IEatBlueCrayons saw this happen is why some staff think that it is RDM and others do not because BOTH user and IEatBlueCrayons are in the wrong for 1:User calling out a fake KOS. And 2: IEatBlueCrayons acted upon this whilst seeing this all happening while the person who was KOS did not pull out a knife and was visible that he did not pull out a knife at all as shown in the video. There may not be correct ways to call a KOS but there are correct ways to USE a KOS and when to and when not to act upon them.

Jax wrote:
Mace Mace died which at the time looked like it was from being stabbed like he shouted, is it really punishable that I got tricked?

As i mentioned in my previous reply there is nothing that shows that IEeatBlueCrayons knew he didn't have a knife. Yes his screen was pointing that way but that does not mean his eyes were focused on his hands the whole time meaning he would know with 100% certainty that the user had no knife. You are basing your whole argument against IEeatBlueCrayonson the assumption that he knew the user had no knife and killed them anyway. This is why we have the karma system, because a mistake can happen and it not be RDM or break any rules.

Miia wrote:
I can't be bothered to continue this for another 6 pages u win.