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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162729

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I think it will help. Regardless of who gets them, you are only increasing the supply of suits without adding any money in the economy, which in theory should lower the prices of them.
Even if the rich players get them, they should understand that the rarity is lower and other vendors will try to sell them as well, causing price wars. Admittingly, it won't lower the prices of them by a substantial amount.
Or they will just horde them, we will see.

There is no one to buy them...
How do you know that? If the demand for them is truly that low, then adding more will only cause prices to lower. Not sure how this won't help the economy.
It all depends if the winner hordes the winnings or not. They probably will though so I guess it wont help much.
market share exists, if someone owns all the gjuggs then they own the entire market and can set a price they deem fit. If all the stock is caught up with a group of affiliates then it could just mean that there are more items which can be set at a higher price
But what would be the point of setting a price that no one can afford? Monopolies and oligopolies (A few players owning all the suits) still have to follow free market principles in order for anything of theirs to sell. If the demand is low and the supply is high, its in their best interest to lower the price in order for anyone to afford it.

The people who have the majority won't set low prices though because they are too interested in the money aspect of it.
If they are truly interested in making money off of the items, then they shouldn't have the suits at prices no one can afford as they will never sell them. Seems to be just a lot of hording and hopes that someone will buy something at their high price.

and the hoarding will continue forever
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162730

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More suits = fun
More fun = players

Look at summer 2017, so many suits were brought in and people LOVED it

i swear 2017 added a wheel and double crafting and a cool item o matic
Which was fun as fuck
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162733

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I think it will help. Regardless of who gets them, you are only increasing the supply of suits without adding any money in the economy, which in theory should lower the prices of them.
Even if the rich players get them, they should understand that the rarity is lower and other vendors will try to sell them as well, causing price wars. Admittingly, it won't lower the prices of them by a substantial amount.
Or they will just horde them, we will see.

There is no one to buy them...
How do you know that? If the demand for them is truly that low, then adding more will only cause prices to lower. Not sure how this won't help the economy.
It all depends if the winner hordes the winnings or not. They probably will though so I guess it wont help much.
market share exists, if someone owns all the gjuggs then they own the entire market and can set a price they deem fit. If all the stock is caught up with a group of affiliates then it could just mean that there are more items which can be set at a higher price
But what would be the point of setting a price that no one can afford? Monopolies and oligopolies (A few players owning all the suits) still have to follow free market principles in order for anything of theirs to sell. If the demand is low and the supply is high, its in their best interest to lower the price in order for anyone to afford it.
Well the supply isn’t high as for what is available as players hoard items. And no, people will eventually cave in to demands if it is the cheapest offer on the market. Players don’t need to sell in an economy like this, as money is worthless within the zarp economy. Keeping the suits is more valuable than the money
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162741

All the people with gjuggs etc are just gonna win so big feels bad
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162744

JMT Rankin wrote:
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All the people with gjuggs etc are just gonna win so big feels bad

u mean mummies?

that too sir
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162755

This could be fair if everyone who participates gets same weapons or suits spawned in to use..
I doubt poor people will risk their shit against rich players!
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162756

JMT Rankin wrote:
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All the people with gjuggs etc are just gonna win so big feels bad

u mean mummies?

that too sir

cos they better. gjuggs are good if no one has mummies

HA! joke's on you i got golden edf!
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162759

You think they give a fuck about the economy in this first place is quite the assumption. It all started going down hill when people made billions from a glitch on the event wheel and they did jack shit.
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162773

Can I please get a 3rd golden juggernaut suit please
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162775

Clarky wrote:
More suits = fun
More fun = players

Look at summer 2017, so many suits were brought in and people LOVED it

But i thought the event involved ripping suits, and therefore removing the fun? Sorry if i'm missing something, but that's the impression i've been given.
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162776

JMT Rankin wrote:
Clarky wrote:
More suits = fun
More fun = players

Look at summer 2017, so many suits were brought in and people LOVED it

i swear 2017 added a wheel and double crafting and a cool item o matic

Do you do anything but moan,
"im quitting fuck this server"
"iv already left but fuck this even"
"this server is rigged so only rich people win, btw i lost over 50b inventory"
"why am i so poor i always coinflip"
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162777

"Suit RIPs Leaderboard"
> "Adding more items into the economy"

:thinking:

One of the leaderboards is designed to encourage people to engage in combat and RIP special suits. The new leaderboards will remove more suits from the economy than it will add due to users wanting to be at the top, and the fact that very few new items are actually being put into the economy.
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162778

TheXnator wrote:
"Suit RIPs Leaderboard"
> "Adding more items into the economy"

:thinking:

One of the leaderboards is designed to encourage people to engage in combat and RIP special suits. The new leaderboards will remove more suits from the economy than it will add due to users wanting to be at the top, and the fact that very few new items are actually being put into the economy.
just sounds like a reasons to loophole rdm
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162780

TheXnator wrote:
"Suit RIPs Leaderboard"
> "Adding more items into the economy"

:thinking:

One of the leaderboards is designed to encourage people to engage in combat and RIP special suits. The new leaderboards will remove more suits from the economy than it will add due to users wanting to be at the top, and the fact that very few new items are actually being put into the economy.
Less suits in the economy will only increase the price of suits. This is the main reason Im confused about the ripping leaderboard thing. Its only going to make prices higher.
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162785

Henny wrote:
TheXnator wrote:
"Suit RIPs Leaderboard"
> "Adding more items into the economy"

:thinking:

One of the leaderboards is designed to encourage people to engage in combat and RIP special suits. The new leaderboards will remove more suits from the economy than it will add due to users wanting to be at the top, and the fact that very few new items are actually being put into the economy.
Less suits in the economy will only increase the price of suits. This is the main reason Im confused about the ripping leaderboard thing. Its only going to make prices higher.
I completely understand where your coming from. suits are already stupidly over priced, nano suits used to be 90m now they are 400m? just seems stupid
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162786

jack bushrsos wrote:
Henny wrote:
TheXnator wrote:
"Suit RIPs Leaderboard"
> "Adding more items into the economy"

:thinking:

One of the leaderboards is designed to encourage people to engage in combat and RIP special suits. The new leaderboards will remove more suits from the economy than it will add due to users wanting to be at the top, and the fact that very few new items are actually being put into the economy.
Less suits in the economy will only increase the price of suits. This is the main reason Im confused about the ripping leaderboard thing. Its only going to make prices higher.
I completely understand where your coming from. suits are already stupidly over priced, nano suits used to be 90m now they are 400m? just seems stupid

I get an event for players to start playing again, but an event based on just suit rips seems wrong at this point in time
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162789

Gotta say, this is kinda sad for all the new players
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162792

Sure we'll get more players , but after they find out that the "epic gold loot" is only given out to the richest players they'll leave.
And sure a competition of the "big boys" is pretty cool, But why make it in the middle of a crisis? How about you make events that boost new players to populate the server back to normal give it a good reputation ?
After all the restoration of the server , Then you can make competitions like that.
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162795

This event isn't harmful to the economy, nor the player-base. It's such a small thing it won't have much impact.

The reason people don't enjoy themselves on the server is because of the item scarcity. From the way things are laid out, you can (virtually) only obtain suits through real-money purchases.

If we want to see some improvement I would begin to look into the ways we could make suits and special items obtainable through means such as crafting or via an NPC (questing, new stores etc.)


I think a lot of you are failing to see that if you don't need absurd amounts of money to purchase an item (and rather, you obtain them through crafting, questing, or something along those lines), it'll really incentivize players to stay, producing a higher player-base.

Because, as it stands now, seeing the large prices on our items - and not fully knowing how to earn the money to purchase the items - is a major turn-off to the new players who join the server.

And if there are no players flowing in, the server will begin to decline because, inevitably, players who have been here for a while, will leave (when old players leave it's usually with different reasonings, though, such as boredom or exhaustion of the game).
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[DISCUSSION]this suit event wont help the economy 5 years 2 months ago #1162802

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This event isn't harmful to the economy, nor the player-base. It's such a small thing it won't have much impact.

The reason people don't enjoy themselves on the server is because of the item scarcity. From the way things are laid out, you can (virtually) only obtain suits through real-money purchases.

If we want to see some improvement I would begin to look into the ways we could make suits and special items obtainable through means such as crafting or via an NPC (questing, new stores etc.)


I think a lot of you are failing to see that if you don't need absurd amounts of money to purchase an item (and rather, you obtain them through crafting, questing, or something along those lines), it'll really incentivize players to stay, producing a higher player-base.

Because, as it stands now, seeing the large prices on our items - and not fully knowing how to earn the money to purchase the items - is a major turn-off to the new players who join the server.

And if there are no players flowing in, the server will begin to decline because, inevitably, players who have been here for a while, will leave (when old players leave it's usually with different reasonings, though, such as boredom or exhaustion of the game).
The main points are;
A) They’re making people more likely to RIP other people’s suits and therefore decreasing the amount of suits in the economy, this in hand will then increase the price due to the lack of stock of these items.
B )The people who will win are the people who are already rich, they are best equipped with suits and IP weapons that no one who had started recently could actually compete with. This means that the golden items will just go to the people who already have the money to obtain these items and therefore just increase the gap between new and old players
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