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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641900

Annie Montana wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

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Micky wrote:

Now I like a good debate so Captin

CaptinF1rework wrote:

Shall we summarize this quickly?
Refusal to join the meetings
When does join the meetings trolls and gets kicked out
Recent official warning
Has stated only wants rank for TS staff

That's just a few things, but the question is, do we want this on our staff team never mind the lead team?
This is far from what we want and Jim Jam has got what is due to him after his recent actions, or should we say lack off actions

He has missed 2 meetings which is not a lot considering if I am correct meetings are not compulsory and I see what you mean about him getting kicked out that is childish but who isn't childish, tell me honestly that any of you have never joked around in a meeting as I know for a fact that the community managers, and above do joke around, maybe not to the point of being kicked or banned from the meeting but they still do things that can disrupt the meeting flow. I can admit I have done so in the past honestly I won't lie.

Now onto his official, could you go into more detail if you can on why he has been given an official because from what I see he was not issued and official in the meetings that he attended but the 2 he did not attend which seems a little bit odd.

So he has stated he only wants the ts staff rank, I don't see what the problem is in that?
If he gets the bare minimum of what he has to do as SA that should be enough, if it isn't you should raise how much work for the server you have to do instead of expecting people to do things like this. Also I believe the Xnator has been staff on different servers for "the badge on ts and the ingame rank" sorry to use you as an example bud.
Now if someone can go for staff on a server etc and they still get what they have to done only to keep their badge or what ever that should be fine as long as he gets what he is mean't to done.

All I want to say is, if you guys expect more out of your SA's "as someone once told me" approach them and encourage them to do more for the server and as some Head admins on TTT you must not of been doing that correctly, yes you may have said "Try and do more for TTT yadayadayada" this is not how it should be, interact with your staff members more, play with them more and help them instead of giving them a cheap 1 minute sentence to read.

Very mature post from a mature HA.

Hey, I gave some mature replies with my opinion, and there is too much shit there for me to break it all down right now, so my purpose here is no longer to prove a point.

The only place I really need to prove any point now is the Lead Team meeting when we vote on it, and not much will need to be said there IMO.

I think you should focus on getting your activity rather than shitposting on the forums (especially my threads)

Some of us own two servers and have recently had to do a lot of shit on them mate.

Resign then. If you can't manage your staff ranks then that is the correct thing to do. Give up your badges for the greater good of the servers.

That's just immature. Telling a staff member to "resign" due to stating their own opinions. It may not be a good opinion but you shouldn't have to tell them to resign.

It's just disrespectful how u completely misread what he said as he never told him to RESIGN he adviced him to because he is complaining about the difficulties of running 2 mediocre servers so get it right before "harassing" jim jam

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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641903

Jim_Jam wrote: Hey its Alex wrote: ItzYaBoiToto wrote: Hey its Alex wrote: had he had an official warning beforehand? He got one indeed and i never got one on dr But got demoted But of all he does best IMO you did get one on DR lmao Nice TOU-breaking signature LOL Who?	Hey its Alex Offline Legendary Member Ex- Deathrun HA, Ex-TTT Admin x2, Ex-Surf Mod Posts: 1301 Thanks received: 460 Karma: 18
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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641906

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

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Micky wrote:

Now I like a good debate so Captin

CaptinF1rework wrote:

Shall we summarize this quickly?
Refusal to join the meetings
When does join the meetings trolls and gets kicked out
Recent official warning
Has stated only wants rank for TS staff

That's just a few things, but the question is, do we want this on our staff team never mind the lead team?
This is far from what we want and Jim Jam has got what is due to him after his recent actions, or should we say lack off actions

He has missed 2 meetings which is not a lot considering if I am correct meetings are not compulsory and I see what you mean about him getting kicked out that is childish but who isn't childish, tell me honestly that any of you have never joked around in a meeting as I know for a fact that the community managers, and above do joke around, maybe not to the point of being kicked or banned from the meeting but they still do things that can disrupt the meeting flow. I can admit I have done so in the past honestly I won't lie.

Now onto his official, could you go into more detail if you can on why he has been given an official because from what I see he was not issued and official in the meetings that he attended but the 2 he did not attend which seems a little bit odd.

So he has stated he only wants the ts staff rank, I don't see what the problem is in that?
If he gets the bare minimum of what he has to do as SA that should be enough, if it isn't you should raise how much work for the server you have to do instead of expecting people to do things like this. Also I believe the Xnator has been staff on different servers for "the badge on ts and the ingame rank" sorry to use you as an example bud.
Now if someone can go for staff on a server etc and they still get what they have to done only to keep their badge or what ever that should be fine as long as he gets what he is mean't to done.

All I want to say is, if you guys expect more out of your SA's "as someone once told me" approach them and encourage them to do more for the server and as some Head admins on TTT you must not of been doing that correctly, yes you may have said "Try and do more for TTT yadayadayada" this is not how it should be, interact with your staff members more, play with them more and help them instead of giving them a cheap 1 minute sentence to read.

Very mature post from a mature HA.

Hey, I gave some mature replies with my opinion, and there is too much shit there for me to break it all down right now, so my purpose here is no longer to prove a point.

The only place I really need to prove any point now is the Lead Team meeting when we vote on it, and not much will need to be said there IMO.

I think you should focus on getting your activity rather than shitposting on the forums (especially my threads)

Some of us own two servers and have recently had to do a lot of shit on them mate.

Resign then. If you can't manage your staff ranks then that is the correct thing to do. Give up your badges for the greater good of the servers.

As a Server Owner / Developer, I have to release an update at least once every few months to keep the server going. When I release these updates, it would be stupid of me not to spend a lot more time on that server in order to ensure it is all running smoothly and to find / fix any bugs. We also recently had a few issues on Prophunt which required my attention, and that is all resolved now.

You really think telling someone to resign over a week or two of activity, when that person does actually do their job and go to meetings, is loical?

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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641908

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

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Micky wrote:

Now I like a good debate so Captin

CaptinF1rework wrote:

Shall we summarize this quickly?
Refusal to join the meetings
When does join the meetings trolls and gets kicked out
Recent official warning
Has stated only wants rank for TS staff

That's just a few things, but the question is, do we want this on our staff team never mind the lead team?
This is far from what we want and Jim Jam has got what is due to him after his recent actions, or should we say lack off actions

He has missed 2 meetings which is not a lot considering if I am correct meetings are not compulsory and I see what you mean about him getting kicked out that is childish but who isn't childish, tell me honestly that any of you have never joked around in a meeting as I know for a fact that the community managers, and above do joke around, maybe not to the point of being kicked or banned from the meeting but they still do things that can disrupt the meeting flow. I can admit I have done so in the past honestly I won't lie.

Now onto his official, could you go into more detail if you can on why he has been given an official because from what I see he was not issued and official in the meetings that he attended but the 2 he did not attend which seems a little bit odd.

So he has stated he only wants the ts staff rank, I don't see what the problem is in that?
If he gets the bare minimum of what he has to do as SA that should be enough, if it isn't you should raise how much work for the server you have to do instead of expecting people to do things like this. Also I believe the Xnator has been staff on different servers for "the badge on ts and the ingame rank" sorry to use you as an example bud.
Now if someone can go for staff on a server etc and they still get what they have to done only to keep their badge or what ever that should be fine as long as he gets what he is mean't to done.

All I want to say is, if you guys expect more out of your SA's "as someone once told me" approach them and encourage them to do more for the server and as some Head admins on TTT you must not of been doing that correctly, yes you may have said "Try and do more for TTT yadayadayada" this is not how it should be, interact with your staff members more, play with them more and help them instead of giving them a cheap 1 minute sentence to read.

Very mature post from a mature HA.

Hey, I gave some mature replies with my opinion, and there is too much shit there for me to break it all down right now, so my purpose here is no longer to prove a point.

The only place I really need to prove any point now is the Lead Team meeting when we vote on it, and not much will need to be said there IMO.

I think you should focus on getting your activity rather than shitposting on the forums (especially my threads)

Some of us own two servers and have recently had to do a lot of shit on them mate.

can't believe you have the sheer cheek to use that as an excuse, everyone fuckin said that you were biting off more than you could chew so don't you dare use it as an excuse; utterly pathetic

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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641909

Hey its Alex wrote: Jim_Jam wrote: Hey its Alex wrote: ItzYaBoiToto wrote: Hey its Alex wrote: had he had an official warning beforehand? He got one indeed and i never got one on dr But got demoted But of all he does best IMO you did get one on DR lmao Nice TOU-breaking signature LOL Who? Sorry, I must've misread it.	Jim_Jam Offline Former Community Manager TTT is my child ❤️ Posts: 8588 Thanks received: 3490 Karma: -32
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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641911

cJazz wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

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Micky wrote:

Now I like a good debate so Captin

CaptinF1rework wrote:

Shall we summarize this quickly?
Refusal to join the meetings
When does join the meetings trolls and gets kicked out
Recent official warning
Has stated only wants rank for TS staff

That's just a few things, but the question is, do we want this on our staff team never mind the lead team?
This is far from what we want and Jim Jam has got what is due to him after his recent actions, or should we say lack off actions

He has missed 2 meetings which is not a lot considering if I am correct meetings are not compulsory and I see what you mean about him getting kicked out that is childish but who isn't childish, tell me honestly that any of you have never joked around in a meeting as I know for a fact that the community managers, and above do joke around, maybe not to the point of being kicked or banned from the meeting but they still do things that can disrupt the meeting flow. I can admit I have done so in the past honestly I won't lie.

Now onto his official, could you go into more detail if you can on why he has been given an official because from what I see he was not issued and official in the meetings that he attended but the 2 he did not attend which seems a little bit odd.

So he has stated he only wants the ts staff rank, I don't see what the problem is in that?
If he gets the bare minimum of what he has to do as SA that should be enough, if it isn't you should raise how much work for the server you have to do instead of expecting people to do things like this. Also I believe the Xnator has been staff on different servers for "the badge on ts and the ingame rank" sorry to use you as an example bud.
Now if someone can go for staff on a server etc and they still get what they have to done only to keep their badge or what ever that should be fine as long as he gets what he is mean't to done.

All I want to say is, if you guys expect more out of your SA's "as someone once told me" approach them and encourage them to do more for the server and as some Head admins on TTT you must not of been doing that correctly, yes you may have said "Try and do more for TTT yadayadayada" this is not how it should be, interact with your staff members more, play with them more and help them instead of giving them a cheap 1 minute sentence to read.

Very mature post from a mature HA.

Hey, I gave some mature replies with my opinion, and there is too much shit there for me to break it all down right now, so my purpose here is no longer to prove a point.

The only place I really need to prove any point now is the Lead Team meeting when we vote on it, and not much will need to be said there IMO.

I think you should focus on getting your activity rather than shitposting on the forums (especially my threads)

Some of us own two servers and have recently had to do a lot of shit on them mate.

can't believe you have the sheer cheek to use that as an excuse, everyone fuckin said that you were biting off more than you could chew so don't you dare use it as an excuse; utterly pathetic

Big up jazz

Fucking ruined,

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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641913

I feel like this is getting a little out of hand - let's keep it on topic, rather than shouting insults at one another?	Raeker Offline Former Community Manager It hurts the best of us Posts: 9175 Thanks received: 6577 Karma: 213
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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641914

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

Jim_Jam wrote:

TheXnator wrote:

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Micky wrote:

Now I like a good debate so Captin

CaptinF1rework wrote:

Shall we summarize this quickly?
Refusal to join the meetings
When does join the meetings trolls and gets kicked out
Recent official warning
Has stated only wants rank for TS staff

That's just a few things, but the question is, do we want this on our staff team never mind the lead team?
This is far from what we want and Jim Jam has got what is due to him after his recent actions, or should we say lack off actions

He has missed 2 meetings which is not a lot considering if I am correct meetings are not compulsory and I see what you mean about him getting kicked out that is childish but who isn't childish, tell me honestly that any of you have never joked around in a meeting as I know for a fact that the community managers, and above do joke around, maybe not to the point of being kicked or banned from the meeting but they still do things that can disrupt the meeting flow. I can admit I have done so in the past honestly I won't lie.

Now onto his official, could you go into more detail if you can on why he has been given an official because from what I see he was not issued and official in the meetings that he attended but the 2 he did not attend which seems a little bit odd.

So he has stated he only wants the ts staff rank, I don't see what the problem is in that?
If he gets the bare minimum of what he has to do as SA that should be enough, if it isn't you should raise how much work for the server you have to do instead of expecting people to do things like this. Also I believe the Xnator has been staff on different servers for "the badge on ts and the ingame rank" sorry to use you as an example bud.
Now if someone can go for staff on a server etc and they still get what they have to done only to keep their badge or what ever that should be fine as long as he gets what he is mean't to done.

All I want to say is, if you guys expect more out of your SA's "as someone once told me" approach them and encourage them to do more for the server and as some Head admins on TTT you must not of been doing that correctly, yes you may have said "Try and do more for TTT yadayadayada" this is not how it should be, interact with your staff members more, play with them more and help them instead of giving them a cheap 1 minute sentence to read.

Very mature post from a mature HA.

Hey, I gave some mature replies with my opinion, and there is too much shit there for me to break it all down right now, so my purpose here is no longer to prove a point.

The only place I really need to prove any point now is the Lead Team meeting when we vote on it, and not much will need to be said there IMO.

I think you should focus on getting your activity rather than shitposting on the forums (especially my threads)

Some of us own two servers and have recently had to do a lot of shit on them mate.

Resign then. If you can't manage your staff ranks then that is the correct thing to do. Give up your badges for the greater good of the servers.

As a Server Owner / Developer, I have to release an update at least once every few months to keep the server going. When I release these updates, it would be stupid of me not to spend a lot more time on that server in order to ensure it is all running smoothly and to find / fix any bugs. We also recently had a few issues on Prophunt which required my attention, and that is all resolved now.

You really think telling someone to resign over a week or two of activity, when that person does actually do their job and go to meetings, is loical?

Btw "doing your job" is more than going around and shouting staff members that don't get their activity, which is all you do.

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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641915

Raeker wrote: I feel like this is getting a little out of hand - let's keep it on topic, rather than shouting insults at one another? jim jam for sa or riot	0yc37xrk6m Offline Adept Boarder Posts: 6727 Thanks received: 1994 Karma: 44
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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641916

Raeker wrote: I feel like this is getting a little out of hand - let's keep it on topic, rather than shouting insults at one another? nah	Lewis_is_java Offline Adept Boarder Λεωνίδᾱς Posts: 7205 Thanks received: 4709 Karma: -65
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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641917

Kong Wizowd wrote: Raeker wrote: I feel like this is getting a little out of hand - let's keep it on topic, rather than shouting insults at one another? jim jam for sa or riot Xnator to RESIGN or riot?	A Good Pianist Offline Spectacular Boarder A Wob A Bob Bob Posts: 15000 Thanks received: 3911 Karma: 22
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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641918

Annie Montana wrote:

That's just immature. Telling a staff member to "resign" due to stating their own opinions. It may not be a good opinion but you shouldn't have to tell them to resign.

Tut tut tut I am trying to have a constructive debate about something and I believe the head admin of TTT replies with some cringey ass meme from a movie to do with toys that no one cares about instead of contributing to the debate constructively, that is is what I call immature.

Frankly telling a staff member to resign can be implemented in many different ways, as in resigning so he can focus solely on the servers he is owner on so he can carry on to improve it or just resign as no one likes you. It could be either.
Instead of calling people immature and ignoring the "bullshit, bullshit everywhere" amazing top quality joke and jumping to target the guy who is mostly effected you should read through what has been said.

Now can a head admin or super admin of TTT tell me truthfully that they have sat in a spacer with Jim Jam and spoken to him about what will happen, offer him support or did you all just send the same pointless message which says "If you need any help just message me". Not everyone has to courage to ask for help that is why as lead team you should know when another staff needs help and reach out to them if they're afraid. You should of been able to tell this by the way he has been acting so I do not believe that you can all act innocent. If anyone has fully reached out to Jim Jam about this in a spacer and offered him support to improve himself as a staff member, please tell me exactly what you said to him.

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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641921

I think we've started an unnecessary flame war on each other	CrankyBot Offline Legendary Member Second Grade Soundboard Posts: 3930 Thanks received: 1173 Karma: 44
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[TTT] Demotion Appeal 7 years 4 months ago #641922

This will be reviewed in the TTT meeting.	_Max Offline Former Community Manager Sup Posts: 2666 Thanks received: 1002 Karma: 15
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