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TOPIC: [SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel)

[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377077

Name - ronaldmarc2009

STEAM-ID - STEAM_0:1:77141376

Staff Members Name - yisyas

Punishment Reason - RDM

Server - 3

Story/Situation - I was randomly teleported to the mines where I allegedly RDMed. After I explained that I did NOT rdm anybody, I was warned for RDM without any form of evidence from the reporter, because the admin and the reporter are friends. I was also randomly teleported out of nowhere, without prior notice, which moderators are supposed to be taught not to do during their staff training.

Extra Information - Anything you would find relevant to your punishments(s)?
I am re-appealing because last appeal was handled improperly, preferably someone else handle this time.

I would like to quote my appeal denial reason:

Faithful wrote:

there was no evidence provided that you were in fact shot

I do not need evidence that i DIDNT rulebreak. The reporter needs evidence that I did. I shouldn't have been warned in the first place just because he believes his friend's word, that's not valid evidence.

Faithful wrote:

yisyas has given you this punishment and he see's no reason why this punishment isn't valid including myself

Because I was warned when there was no evidence present from the person who reported me.

I also think the staff member in question should be re-trained, since in his application, he's under the illusion that the F1 Admin logs are conclusive evidence in the case of RDM, which is not the case on ZARP:

YisYas wrote:

when i claim the sit, i will bring player A and ask him to explain the situation in as much detail as possible before bringing player B. I will then bring player B and ask him why he has killed player A. If his story checks out, by checking the logs, then it will return them both. However, if it was rdm, depending on how severe the rdm was, i would punish player B accordingly

Example of how such a situation should actually be handled:
Bat wrote:

I would open my menu and look at the logs, if the logs match player A's accusations, i would ask player B's side.
If Player B contest the RDM i would ask evidences to Player A.
If the evidences shows that Player B RDM'd Player A i would check Player B's rapsheet for recent punishments.
I would warn Player B if he had recent punishments on record.
If he didn't have anything on his rapsheet, i would just write a note and give him a verbal warning.

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377078

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377079

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377080

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377081

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377084

Can’t believe the first one was denied, your explanation was perfect	CEO of Business Offline Community Manager your mom go in the sky Posts: 3875 Thanks received: 2385 Karma: 38
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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377085

CEO of Business wrote: Can’t believe the first one was denied, your explanation was perfect I tried to be precise.	Killa Kappa Offline User is blocked Posts: 14508 Thanks received: 6725 Karma: -3121
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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377086

Randomly punished for something you didn’t actually do! Sounds familiar tbh!	OnionRings Offline Community Manager Posts: 10896 Thanks received: 5656 Karma: -565
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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377087

Reviewing - Will take a look at this when back from office.	Joshua Offline Former Community Manager Posts: 1614 Thanks received: 543 Karma: 156
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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377092

It's true that you don't need to prove you didn't break a rule, you can but you don't need to I don't know why the dude who reported you didn't bring evidence with him, it's a bit weird	steeve ho you fat Offline Loyal Boarder Posts: 9035 Thanks received: 2657 Karma: -106
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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377101

My dawg coding did nuffin wrong	JoshuaIsGreat Offline Diamond Boarder 3^ the Serb Posts: 3627 Thanks received: 1549 Karma: -236
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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377102

ronaldmarc2009 wrote:

Faithful wrote:

there was no evidence provided that you were in fact shot

I do not need evidence that i DIDNT rulebreak. The reporter needs evidence that I did. I shouldn't have been warned in the first place just because he believes his friend's word, that's not valid evidence.

This is exactly what happened when I was warned on prophunt for ghosting just for playing with my friends. They asked ME for evidence that I WASNT ghosting, as if its guilty until proven innocent. I know this is a different server and different punishment but I thought I'd mention it
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Edit: Hopefully your appeal goes better than mine, since my punishment was never removed lol

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Joshua wrote: Reviewing - Will take a look at this when back from office. That's right finish mopping the floor first.	Jawson Offline Community Manager Martin likes trains Posts: 3012 Thanks received: 1933 Karma: 307
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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377117

so if I understand the logic ?

If I arrest someone who was wanted but he say he wasn't i need to prove he was ?

but in the logic it's the guy reporting need to prove not the guy arresting ???

because before a guy did a f1 cuz he didn't know we was wanted and lucky l'm i clipped the fact he was wanted but i don't see the logic ? it's the reporter give proof not the guy reported ?

that shit broken the logic of report ...

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377118

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377121

sinzz wrote:

so if I understand the logic ?

If I arrest someone who was wanted but he say he wasn't i need to prove he was ?

but in the logic it's the guy reporting need to prove not the guy arresting ???

because before a guy did a f1 cuz he didn't know we was wanted and lucky l'm i clipped the fact he was wanted but i don't see the logic ? it's the reporter give proof not the guy reported ?

that shit broken the logic of report ...

you clearly don't understand the ""logic"" dumbass

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[SSRP] ronaldmarc2009's Warn Appeal (The Sequel) 2 years 9 months ago #1377127

sinzz wrote:

so if I understand the logic ?

If I arrest someone who was wanted but he say he wasn't i need to prove he was ?

but in the logic it's the guy reporting need to prove not the guy arresting ???

because before a guy did a f1 cuz he didn't know we was wanted and lucky l'm i clipped the fact he was wanted but i don't see the logic ? it's the reporter give proof not the guy reported ?

that shit broken the logic of report ...

Thank you for your input sinz.