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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1358993

PZGrens wrote:

EviIstewie wrote:

What an unfunny joke. Christ almighty. First off I can't help but chuckle at the fact its codabro informing revine about racism secondly joining in on racist jokes. Its in the fucking sentence you sage and onion sausage, A JOKE that clearly had multiple parties involved. I don't think a single good staff member from mod to owner hasn't made a racist joke at one point in time, get over yourself and learn to not take second hand offence (your be happier for it). For the f slur on TTT who took offence to it? If someone did take actual offence to a word send em my way so I can help them live a happier life.

Warning below is a joke that some may take offence to. You have been warned peoples! No ban gave trigger warning!

Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

I don't really care for getting involved in the drama around this demotion but just saying that racist "jokes" can still oppress minorities and make them feel just as small as actual racism. In fact, when people are racist so casually that can have more damage than calling someone a slur as it can make a minority feel like it is just a day to day thing that they now have to put up with made even worse that people will defend this form of racism and laugh along with it because they feel its ok.

Perhaps instead of telling people not to be offended on others behalf you should rethink your personal opinions on things and not tell people how they should deal with oppression, especially since you are a white straight male and therefore not a minority.

Post got removed not sure why but uhhhh yeah not straight boss so nice one. Being pc and making wrongful assumption seem to go hand in hand aye nice work

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1358997

PZGrens wrote:

EviIstewie wrote:

What an unfunny joke. Christ almighty. First off I can't help but chuckle at the fact its codabro informing revine about racism secondly joining in on racist jokes. Its in the fucking sentence you sage and onion sausage, A JOKE that clearly had multiple parties involved. I don't think a single good staff member from mod to owner hasn't made a racist joke at one point in time, get over yourself and learn to not take second hand offence (your be happier for it). For the f slur on TTT who took offence to it? If someone did take actual offence to a word send em my way so I can help them live a happier life.

Warning below is a joke that some may take offence to. You have been warned peoples! No ban gave trigger warning!

Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

I don't really care for getting involved in the drama around this demotion but just saying that racist "jokes" can still oppress minorities and make them feel just as small as actual racism. In fact, when people are racist so casually that can have more damage than calling someone a slur as it can make a minority feel like it is just a day to day thing that they now have to put up with made even worse that people will defend this form of racism and laugh along with it because they feel its ok.

Perhaps instead of telling people not to be offended on others behalf you should rethink your personal opinions on things and not tell people how they should deal with oppression, especially since you are a white straight male and therefore not a minority.

Ah yes,The ruler of Evil,Straight White Male

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359000

This has gotten way too much attention lmao. If anyone needs clarifying or detail, you can dm me on discord: MsRevine#6092 Hope everyone has a great day!	MsRevine Offline Legendary Member Dexter Morgan > Posts: 4126 Thanks received: 2485 Karma: 157
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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359001

MsRevine wrote:

Joshua wrote:

Rule wrote:

Joshua wrote:

My view on this is that you were in inactivity, and it's my and LT's fault for not double-checking with regards to you being inactivity during the week your action was agreed upon. Coda sent you a messaging explaining this. It is, therefore, your responsibility to inform any LT or CM team member if you are going to be unavailable to complete your sanction duties, of which you failed to do

Wait for what? You just said its the LT's fault for not checking that she was on inactivity then said its her fault for essentially not telling coda she was going on inactivity? But told the whole LT, not just Coda???

Also, the situation in regards to racism shouldn't really be brought up. Sure its a big deal but thats why you gave her a sanction, she was not racist or discriminatory in the week of her sanction so clearly the only reason she was demoted was her inactivity, in which she has explained multiple times that she couldn't have played. If you were going to demote her for racism it would have been done the week of the sanction, not last week.

To be honest this situation was pretty poorly handled

Wait what? You just said it's the LT's fault for not checking that she was in inactivity then said it's her fault for essentially not telling coda she was going on inactivity? But telling the whole LT, not just Coda??? - No I stated that it was myself and the LT's fault that we did not check the OneNote correctly where it stated that MsRevine was on inactivity while she was away, per the demotions policy under sanctions it states that the person who got the sanction is the one responsible to inform any member of the LT Team and or Community team that she will not be able to complete her duties. MSRevine failed to do so, therefore, this resulted in the demotion.

With regards to MSRevines racist activity, she would of past for that week, but if MsRevine had messaged one of us, we would of very easily paused the sanction

Dear Josh,

As I have stated in my appeal and personally to you in the DMs, I have informed the LT on these 3 platforms:
- Teamspeak: twice in the Murder meeting, before my vacation.
- Discord: in the Murder LT channel, with the exact dates before my vacation.
- OneNote: While talking to Richard, he had written it down into the OneNote because that's what we use as LT to keep track.

So kindly do not blame me for not informing anyone. I really like you but this just sounds like targetting at this point, which makes me feel kind of disappointed...

Hope you and the people who failed to check my notices will take the responsibility as mature people would do.

With much love,
me.

Dear Revine,
Although you messaged and informed them on multiple different platforms you should of took into consideration they might of seen these messages and written down items! There for in future pleases refer to using smoke signals, also messaging them on the following other applications, epic games, Facebook, bbm and Skype. Personally always went to chute on Skype with my issues!

On a real note, from my understanding how the LT handled this demotion of horrible. There is certainly a massive lack in communication between the staff team and seems like it needs sorting out. If you have messaged them multiple times stating your on a inactivity notice then how would a sanction for “getting activity” work? I understand the racist/homophobic thing but that hasn’t really been brought up at all throughout all of this. It’s just been about your activity. Tldr hello LT please communicate better.

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359008

Vodka4Gaben wrote:

Shieeet

You had two homophobic/racist incidents in the span of 3 weeks which obviously isn't great but you also haven't gotten your time in more than a month which also doesn't look great. Its kind of surprising that you weren't demoted at least to admin after your second incident. Although you should have been demoted originally, this was terribly handled.

How can anyone be motivated to get their "time" on the server when they see this most of the time?

Logging onto an empty server for the sake of having taller bars on gametracker is actually meaningless. Something more could be done to motivate people to come on in the meetings rather than just punishing staff who haven't been encouraged or motivated to do so in my opinion.

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359026

Morgan wrote:

Vodka4Gaben wrote:

Shieeet

You had two homophobic/racist incidents in the span of 3 weeks which obviously isn't great but you also haven't gotten your time in more than a month which also doesn't look great. Its kind of surprising that you weren't demoted at least to admin after your second incident. Although you should have been demoted originally, this was terribly handled.

How can anyone be motivated to get their "time" on the server when they see this most of the time?

Logging onto an empty server for the sake of having taller bars on gametracker is actually meaningless. Something more could be done to motivate people to come on in the meetings rather than just punishing staff who haven't been encouraged or motivated to do so in my opinion.

This is why I resigned, I always was online for 2 hours on murder encouraging people to get online on the server just so that people get offline in 1 minute

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359032

xDutchCat wrote:

Morgan wrote:

Vodka4Gaben wrote:

Shieeet

You had two homophobic/racist incidents in the span of 3 weeks which obviously isn't great but you also haven't gotten your time in more than a month which also doesn't look great. Its kind of surprising that you weren't demoted at least to admin after your second incident. Although you should have been demoted originally, this was terribly handled.

How can anyone be motivated to get their "time" on the server when they see this most of the time?

Logging onto an empty server for the sake of having taller bars on gametracker is actually meaningless. Something more could be done to motivate people to come on in the meetings rather than just punishing staff who haven't been encouraged or motivated to do so in my opinion.

This is why I resigned, I always was online for 2 hours on murder encouraging people to get online on the server just so that people get offline in 1 minute

Murder itself as a game mode is actually pretty fun, it’s just that the game mode itself is also dying, and not just the server. The server is really well-made, but the game mode is not really surviving, apart from this one Russian server that’s always full. So motivating people to come into the server probably wouldn’t always work, but I don’t mind coming on since I like it.

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359051

Armarni wrote:

PZGrens wrote:

EviIstewie wrote:

What an unfunny joke. Christ almighty. First off I can't help but chuckle at the fact its codabro informing revine about racism secondly joining in on racist jokes. Its in the fucking sentence you sage and onion sausage, A JOKE that clearly had multiple parties involved. I don't think a single good staff member from mod to owner hasn't made a racist joke at one point in time, get over yourself and learn to not take second hand offence (your be happier for it). For the f slur on TTT who took offence to it? If someone did take actual offence to a word send em my way so I can help them live a happier life.

Warning below is a joke that some may take offence to. You have been warned peoples! No ban gave trigger warning!

Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ]

I don't really care for getting involved in the drama around this demotion but just saying that racist "jokes" can still oppress minorities and make them feel just as small as actual racism. In fact, when people are racist so casually that can have more damage than calling someone a slur as it can make a minority feel like it is just a day to day thing that they now have to put up with made even worse that people will defend this form of racism and laugh along with it because they feel its ok.

Perhaps instead of telling people not to be offended on others behalf you should rethink your personal opinions on things and not tell people how they should deal with oppression, especially since you are a white straight male and therefore not a minority.

Ah yes,The ruler of Evil,Straight White Male

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359061

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[MURDER] Demotion Appeal 2 years 7 months ago #1359080

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