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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252596

Name - What is your in-game name?
Currently: Nurarihyon
When given the warning: Nura

STEAM-ID - What is your STEAM-ID?
STEAM_0:0:90296295

Staff Members Name - Who warned you?
Matt (STEAM_0:0:177633343)

Punishment Reason - What was the reason of the punishment(s)?
Hacking

Server - Which server did this occur on?
TTT server no idea which server it is so here's the ip address of that server ---> IP: 54.36.229.194

Story/Situation - What happened?
... what do i even type in this section?....

All I know is that the staff received recordings of me playing and based on that they reached the conclusion that I was hacking...
I tried to appeal against that decision twice.... and failed...

I think this summaries the situation pretty well.

Extra Information - Anything you would find relevant to your punishments(s)?
I already tried to appeal against this warning... twice.
First time I made a 2 hour video showing all the software running in the background and played ttt normally.... I still was getting the exact same type of kills as before.

The second appeal was me explaining what I was doing in one of the videos....where I apparently had "wallhacks".

If ya got any idea how else i can prove that I'm not hacking..... please do tell... cause I'm literally running out of ideas at this point.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252598

We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252599

Lol i called it long time ago , you hit very odd shots from across the map with deagle and g3 THE G3 aim is already broken and i get you can hit a shot or 2 across map but with the aug while spraying ? It may be pure luck but he has a reason to doubt , as an SA he pretty much understands the mechanics and capabilities of each weapon . You hit shots and i called you out like a week ago . :neutralsp: until the evidence is uploaded.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252600

Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

There is point.. Since
1. I don't Cheat
2. If you reached the decision I cheat based off my normal play style you will reach that decision again unless I specifically play bad or like a bot...... which i don't really wanna do
3. Don't wanna get banned for something I don't do
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252601

Nurarihyon wrote:
Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

There is point.. Since
1. I don't Cheat
2. If you reached the decision I cheat based off my normal play style you will reach that decision again unless I specifically play bad or like a bot...... which i don't really wanna do
3. Don't wanna get banned for something I don't do
the decision to ban you is off a video or spectat(ing) of you . If he senses or sees the odds shot i talked about he has the right to punish you for it .

EDIT: also bare in mind he has the evidence and the decision is taken not by 1 staff member but by the agreement of a few of them .
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252603

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Lol i called it long time ago , you hit very odd shots from across the map with deagle and g3 THE G3 aim is already broken and i get you can hit a shot or 2 across map but with the aug while spraying ? It may be pure luck but he has a reason to doubt , as an SA he pretty much understands the mechanics and capabilities of each weapon . You hit shots and i called you out like a week ago . :neutralsp: until the evidence is uploaded.

One question tho.... when the hell have i sprayed someone across the map with aug? I used that gun like twice(pretty sure whenever exo drops it)... and I don't think I killed anyone with it. In regards to G3 the gun is kindaaaa a laser gun bullet spray is quite tight.. so any good tracking/aim will get the kills that i get..
Deagle is a bit more random since the bullet spray is much more random from what i noticed... If I was indeed hacking all my deagle shots would hit the target one way or another.. but they don't.. you can see me literally spamming the deagle at some people cause of the spray pattern.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252604

TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

There is point.. Since
1. I don't Cheat
2. If you reached the decision I cheat based off my normal play style you will reach that decision again unless I specifically play bad or like a bot...... which i don't really wanna do
3. Don't wanna get banned for something I don't do
the decision to ban you is off a video or spectat(ing) of you . If he senses or sees the odds shot i talked about he has the right to punish you for it .

EDIT: also bare in mind he has the evidence and the decision is taken not by 1 staff member but by the agreement of a few of them .

Obviously the decision was reached by majority of the staff that I understand but I also understand that humans make mistakes from time to time... That being said I have yet to see a shot i made that actually genuinely looks like aimbot.. and I seen plenty of aimbots in my life. Yes I do get bullshit shots that should not count.. But never a shot that looks like aimbot..
Than again I also get shots that should count... and yet they don't.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252607

Nurarihyon wrote:
TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

There is point.. Since
1. I don't Cheat
2. If you reached the decision I cheat based off my normal play style you will reach that decision again unless I specifically play bad or like a bot...... which i don't really wanna do
3. Don't wanna get banned for something I don't do
the decision to ban you is off a video or spectat(ing) of you . If he senses or sees the odds shot i talked about he has the right to punish you for it .

EDIT: also bare in mind he has the evidence and the decision is taken not by 1 staff member but by the agreement of a few of them .

Obviously the decision was reached by majority of the staff that I understand but I also understand that humans make mistakes from time to time... That being said I have yet to see a shot i made that actually genuinely looks like aimbot.. and I seen plenty of aimbots in my life. Yes I do get bullshit shots that should not count.. But never a shot that looks like aimbot..
Than again I also get shots that should count... and yet they don't.
i wasnt taking about a TODAY thing its common with you and 2 other people i have in mind luckily i cant record anything on pc because it already overheats on gmod :( anyways the aimbot is at a push of a button to activate and deactivate doesnt require a hectic long procedure to activate or deactivate i think. Might be wrong but once again i cant say im with or against you until we see the evidence gathered by the handling staff member .
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252608

TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

There is point.. Since
1. I don't Cheat
2. If you reached the decision I cheat based off my normal play style you will reach that decision again unless I specifically play bad or like a bot...... which i don't really wanna do
3. Don't wanna get banned for something I don't do
the decision to ban you is off a video or spectat(ing) of you . If he senses or sees the odds shot i talked about he has the right to punish you for it .

EDIT: also bare in mind he has the evidence and the decision is taken not by 1 staff member but by the agreement of a few of them .

Obviously the decision was reached by majority of the staff that I understand but I also understand that humans make mistakes from time to time... That being said I have yet to see a shot i made that actually genuinely looks like aimbot.. and I seen plenty of aimbots in my life. Yes I do get bullshit shots that should not count.. But never a shot that looks like aimbot..
Than again I also get shots that should count... and yet they don't.
i wasnt taking about a TODAY thing its common with you and 2 other people i have in mind luckily i cant record anything on pc because it already overheats on gmod :( anyways the aimbot is at a push of a button to activate and deactivate doesnt require a hectic long procedure to activate or deactivate i think. Might be wrong but once again i cant say im with or against you until we see the evidence gathered by the handling staff member .

1. I already recorded me playing.. and still getting bullshit shots... if not worse looking at them again.... but since the video is almost 2 hours I know for fact that some people just brushed it off and didn't bother to watch...

2. "aimbot is a push of a button to activate".... Yes and No... there's different types of aimbot... the one you describe here applies to trigger aimbot.. Yes you can trigger it with a click off a button.. However if you understand how it works and what too look out for in the gameplay you will be able to tell if the player uses trigger aimbot or not....

For an example.. hiding a trigger aimbot in your flick is impossible.. and a aimbot flick is simple to determine based on how it looks....
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252609

Nurarihyon wrote:
TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

There is point.. Since
1. I don't Cheat
2. If you reached the decision I cheat based off my normal play style you will reach that decision again unless I specifically play bad or like a bot...... which i don't really wanna do
3. Don't wanna get banned for something I don't do
the decision to ban you is off a video or spectat(ing) of you . If he senses or sees the odds shot i talked about he has the right to punish you for it .

EDIT: also bare in mind he has the evidence and the decision is taken not by 1 staff member but by the agreement of a few of them .

Obviously the decision was reached by majority of the staff that I understand but I also understand that humans make mistakes from time to time... That being said I have yet to see a shot i made that actually genuinely looks like aimbot.. and I seen plenty of aimbots in my life. Yes I do get bullshit shots that should not count.. But never a shot that looks like aimbot..
Than again I also get shots that should count... and yet they don't.
i wasnt taking about a TODAY thing its common with you and 2 other people i have in mind luckily i cant record anything on pc because it already overheats on gmod :( anyways the aimbot is at a push of a button to activate and deactivate doesnt require a hectic long procedure to activate or deactivate i think. Might be wrong but once again i cant say im with or against you until we see the evidence gathered by the handling staff member .

1. I already recorded me playing.. and still getting bullshit shots... if not worse looking at them again.... but since the video is almost 2 hours I know for fact that some people just brushed it off and didn't bother to watch...

2. "aimbot is a push of a button to activate".... Yes and No... there's different types of aimbot... the one you describe here applies to trigger aimbot.. Yes you can trigger it with a click off a button.. However if you understand how it works and what too look out for in the gameplay you will be able to tell if the player uses trigger aimbot or not....

For an example.. hiding a trigger aimbot in your flick is impossible.. and a aimbot flick is simple to determine based on how it looks....
as far as i know and i am very active on the forums , no report was made on you for hacking so you have been warned based upon what happened this game session . If you dont mind uploading 3 rounds before and 3 rounds after the warning of your game ? That would do you justice .
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252610

TheFierceOwl wrote:
SA he pretty much understands the mechanics and capabilities of each weapon . You hit shots and i called you out like a week ago . :neutralsp: until the evidence is uploaded.

I forgot to mention something about this in the previous reply.

SA doesn't necessary understands the mechanics and capabilities of each weapon. In the application for SA there is no questions asking about how much damage each weapon does or anything of the sorts... I previously asked a SA (can't remember who it was now) what is the lethal range of the c4 and they didn't know. So don't assume just that they are SA they know all the mechanics of ttt....

There are also many commands in gmod that can improve one's performance... one such commands is cl_updaterate.
I won't bother explaining what this command does.

This command is however limited on zarp (no value greater than 35 is accepted i think.. it just resets it to default like 30 or 34 can't remember exactly). for some reason but on other servers it usually isn't... On one murder server I was able to jump much higher than other players just by using 3 commands associated with connection speed.... is that hacking... no... is that an exploit... no... it's just the server having bad programming overall.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252611

TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
TheFierceOwl wrote:
Nurarihyon wrote:
Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

There is point.. Since
1. I don't Cheat
2. If you reached the decision I cheat based off my normal play style you will reach that decision again unless I specifically play bad or like a bot...... which i don't really wanna do
3. Don't wanna get banned for something I don't do
the decision to ban you is off a video or spectat(ing) of you . If he senses or sees the odds shot i talked about he has the right to punish you for it .

EDIT: also bare in mind he has the evidence and the decision is taken not by 1 staff member but by the agreement of a few of them .

Obviously the decision was reached by majority of the staff that I understand but I also understand that humans make mistakes from time to time... That being said I have yet to see a shot i made that actually genuinely looks like aimbot.. and I seen plenty of aimbots in my life. Yes I do get bullshit shots that should not count.. But never a shot that looks like aimbot..
Than again I also get shots that should count... and yet they don't.
i wasnt taking about a TODAY thing its common with you and 2 other people i have in mind luckily i cant record anything on pc because it already overheats on gmod :( anyways the aimbot is at a push of a button to activate and deactivate doesnt require a hectic long procedure to activate or deactivate i think. Might be wrong but once again i cant say im with or against you until we see the evidence gathered by the handling staff member .

1. I already recorded me playing.. and still getting bullshit shots... if not worse looking at them again.... but since the video is almost 2 hours I know for fact that some people just brushed it off and didn't bother to watch...

2. "aimbot is a push of a button to activate".... Yes and No... there's different types of aimbot... the one you describe here applies to trigger aimbot.. Yes you can trigger it with a click off a button.. However if you understand how it works and what too look out for in the gameplay you will be able to tell if the player uses trigger aimbot or not....

For an example.. hiding a trigger aimbot in your flick is impossible.. and a aimbot flick is simple to determine based on how it looks....
as far as i know and i am very active on the forums , no report was made on you for hacking so you have been warned based upon what happened this game session . If you dont mind uploading 3 rounds before and 3 rounds after the warning of your game ? That would do you justice .

Yea the warning never appeared on the forum as far as I'm aware... but asking for 3 rounds before and 3 rounds after the warning are kinda impossible... considering that
1. The warning was given over 3 weeks ago
2. I don't have time machine to go back and record the gameplay

The only recording I can give you is of any games I play now... heck I can literally give you the 1hour and like 40 minuets video that i attached to the first appeal where i show me uninstalling gmod.... reinstalling it and playing ttt normally.. and still getting bs shots .. and at the end i show all the software running in the background.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252612

The last appeal had a video which which definitely didnt prove you were cheating, was that all they voted on or was there more?

Don't think you should of been banned for just that
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252613

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The last appeal had a video which which definitely didnt prove you were cheating, was that all they voted on or was there more?

Don't think you should of been banned for just that

I didn't get banned.. I just received a warning for now..

As far as I know they received around 7 videos and the video in the last appeal was the video that convinced them that I was hacking... so out of 7 videos i debunked 1.. so 6 more to go i guess... However I doubt they will give me the other 6.. I had to annoy someone quite a lot to even get that one video......

Not knowing what type of "hacking" I'm appealing against doesn't make this whole process any easier... if I'm honest....
The whole process seems a bit odd and pointless to me... but.. guess that can't be changed.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252614

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illegalimmigrant wrote:
The last appeal had a video which which definitely didnt prove you were cheating, was that all they voted on or was there more?

Don't think you should of been banned for just that

I didn't get banned.. I just received a warning for now..

As far as I know they received around 7 videos and the video in the last appeal was the video that convinced them that I was hacking... so out of 7 videos i debunked 1.. so 6 more to go i guess... However I doubt they will give me the other 6.. I had to annoy someone quite a lot to even get that one video......

Presenting evidence to the user
a. In the instance of non-automated detections the user should be presented with the evidence such as logs, screenshots or other evidence leading up to their detection. This must be done before the user is punished. Members of the community team are not required to show evidence to the users but evidence should be present so that it may be displayed and validated as clear should it be questioned.

b. Should there be a reason for not providing the evidence to the user such as sensitive information a vote may be held by the lead team to decide on a different approach. This vote must be held prior to any case even if the cases are similar to previous cases where a vote on presenting evidence has taken place.

They didn't vote no or obviously you wouldnt of gotten it, not sure why they won't give you it
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252615

Exothermic362 wrote:
We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

Why does he have to provide evidence? For a vote saying hes cheating shouldn't it be definitive? If there could be "some amazing new evidence" that cleared him of cheating why was it ever voted yes on.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252616

illegalimmigrant wrote:
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illegalimmigrant wrote:
The last appeal had a video which which definitely didnt prove you were cheating, was that all they voted on or was there more?

Don't think you should of been banned for just that

I didn't get banned.. I just received a warning for now..

As far as I know they received around 7 videos and the video in the last appeal was the video that convinced them that I was hacking... so out of 7 videos i debunked 1.. so 6 more to go i guess... However I doubt they will give me the other 6.. I had to annoy someone quite a lot to even get that one video......

Presenting evidence to the user
a. In the instance of non-automated detections the user should be presented with the evidence such as logs, screenshots or other evidence leading up to their detection. This must be done before the user is punished. Members of the community team are not required to show evidence to the users but evidence should be present so that it may be displayed and validated as clear should it be questioned.

b. Should there be a reason for not providing the evidence to the user such as sensitive information a vote may be held by the lead team to decide on a different approach. This vote must be held prior to any case even if the cases are similar to previous cases where a vote on presenting evidence has taken place.

They didn't vote no or obviously you wouldnt of gotten it, not sure why they won't give you it

My best guess is that... somehow the videos contain some sort of sensitive information maybe... perhaps?? but... the part i don't understand is... It's a video... if there is sensitive information just simply edit it out or if you can't be asked to do that just simply ask me to join a meeting and show me the videos there if they are too sensitive for the forum. Not only does that give me the chance to defend myself against the videos.... it would also speed up the entire process... instead of making a post... and waiting for the decision.
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252617

illegalimmigrant wrote:
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We have already talked about this, there is no point constantly appealing the same punishment. The outcome will be the same as before unless you have some amazing new evidence.

Why does he have to provide evidence? For a vote saying hes cheating shouldn't it be definitive? If there could be "some amazing new evidence" that cleared him of cheating why was it ever voted yes on.

Well I have to provide evidence to change their mind that I'm not hacking...I'm guessing... which on paper is logical... what is illogical is how you go about doing that. If i record a video like i did.. they will simply say ... "aw you toggled the hacks off" or something along does lines.... and if i can't use a video of me playing as evidence... what can I use than?
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252618

You should ask for the evidence . Thats very corrupt of them not giving you it. Or explaining . Its very common that LT never admit to their mistakes and bury it to avoid conflicts of them being " unwise or unprofessional " which apparently is now. But yet again you might have been hacking so i cant really say anything except you should be giving you evidence . Also was it given to you before or after the warning?
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[TTT] Nura's Punishment Appeal 4 years 4 months ago #1252619

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You should ask for the evidence . Thats very corrupt of them not giving you it. Or explaining . Its very common that LT never admit to their mistakes and bury it to avoid conflicts of them being " unwise or unprofessional " which apparently is now. But yet again you might have been hacking so i cant really say anything except you should be giving you evidence . Also was it given to you before or after the warning?


Ask for evidence I did... more than once..but they don't wanna give it to me...
If you are referring to that one video I managed to get... That was waaay after... it was even after my first appeal was denied...that's when i managed to get the one video..... so perhaps i will get another video after this appeal is probably denied???? although i doubt that's how it's going to work since i also didn't get any video after the second appeal :(
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