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TOPIC: [TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal

[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222150

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The "Nether T Testing Method" - The idea that only a T can exit the Nether without entering. (If you do the right checks)

I have been told it's against the rules after doing it for the second time because "there is no actual evidence"; There are no rules against or for my method.
"[Administrator] Rittsu: well its still against the rules so dont do it
[Administrator] [Guardian] Rittsu: end of"

Step 1. Mark all players preround as "suspect" thus eliminating the confusion of new players joining in and possibly being inside the Nether.
Step 2. Enter Nether and check everywhere for players, those inside you mark "missing" exit Nether and enter again to make sure no one paralleled with your entry
Step 3. With all players having a Tag "Innocent" or "missing" you wait outside the portal, changing those exiting as "missing" to "suspect" and those entering as "suspect" to missing".
Step 4. Should a player exit the Nether as "suspect" without being marked "missing" it means they entered a T room portal, came into the Nether, and then exited the nether into the overworld. thus giving me concrete evidence that they're a T.

The mods believe this is KOS on suspicion because of a few reasons. I will debunk them also.

1."You don't account for new spawns" Marking everyone preround means that anyone joining in will have no tag and are then proven innocent.
2. "They could have teleported in" Teleporting requires a T weapon, picking it up requires you to say in chat you have the T item to avoid suspicion, I check chat every second for KOS's and Suspicions and weapon pickups to keep updated on what going around me. if you teleport in without announcing you have the T item it is a valid KOS reason as the rules state "Valid KOS Reasons - Holding/Using a Traitor only weapon without announcing that he got it from a traitor."
3. "cant KOS on someone being in the Nether" as the rules state "Players are allowed free-roam of the map, you cannot KOS someone for entering an area minus traitor only areas" However I don't KOS because of you where in the Nether, I KOS because you came out the Nether without first entering, thus showing me you have entered a T room beforehand. (including the use of my safeguards)
4. "You could have not seen someone go inside" I don't look away from the portal unless I'm looking at chat for less than a second, not enough time to round out of my sight which takes least 4 seconds and in that time ill see you in my peripheral vision also. The main time consumer is changing the tags because the player menu covers a lot of my vision, most of the time a mental note of those inside and those left is easy because of it being on average 2 people. If there is too much traffic in and out or someone is making it difficult for me to track people I will stop it as I know I'll get confused and not have a valid reason to single people out.

Final There is zero chance you can come out that portal as a "suspect" and innocent when using this method. If you can brainstorm a way you can I would like to know.
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222160

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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222167

Can you please use and fill in the following template:

[b]Name -[/b] What is your in-game name?
[b]STEAM-ID -[/b] What is your STEAM-ID?
[b]Staff Members Name -[/b] Who warned you?
[b]Punishment Reason -[/b] What was the reason of the punishment(s)?
[b]Server -[/b] Which server did this occur on?
[b]Story/Situation -[/b] What happened?
[b]Extra Information -[/b] Anything you would find relevant to your punishments(s)?
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222174

You could get away with simply marking only the players inside the nether as you can see in chat when players join. Then proceeding like normal but removing missing from the players that leave and adding to those who enter.

Anyways, good luck with your appeal.
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222182

a bit dodgy way to play TTT but hey sure, you do you!

Seems like a legit and thought out way
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222183

Assuming to actually did all of these checks then you sir have a big brain and did not kill on suspicion

(Unless someone can think of a reason why an innocent would end up there after reading your post because i can't, and I highly doubt there is one)
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222191

What a bigbrain way of saying that you used esp and know no one went in
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222192

you really went to this much effort to get around a virtual telling off, fair play
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222205

It goes in line with killing on suspicion, there is no concrete and valid way to prove that person is a traitor, all they did is show up at or leave the nether which is no reason to kill them unless they have been KOSed or went through the T room. Its a logically good way but still leaves room for doubt so it is killing on suspicion.
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222213

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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222224

Annie Moonise wrote:
It goes in line with killing on suspicion, there is no concrete and valid way to prove that person is a traitor, all they did is show up at or leave the nether which is no reason to kill them unless they have been KOSed or went through the T room. Its a logically good way but still leaves room for doubt so it is killing on suspicion.
I would say being able to prove that the only way someone got into the nether was by going into a traitor only room or using a traitor weapon is pretty strong proof that the person is a traitor but hey thats just my opinion.
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222230

As I've already stated on the staff discord, this situaion is not killing on suspicion. You are aware of every situation where a player would end up in the nether and you can easily tell who the traitors are from simply keeping track of what's going on.

Your warning should be removed but I'm nice so I'll leave it to someone else to handle.
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[TTT] Juzo's Warning and Autoslay Appeal 4 years 6 months ago #1222232

Jim_Jam wrote:
Assuming to actually did all of these checks then you sir have a big brain and did not kill on suspicion

There is nothing wrong with this, providing you did do all the steps as JimJam said. Good use of the marking feature!

The warning will be removed.

Have a good evening!


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