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New shop system is terrible 4 years 4 months ago #1183460

I'd like to know the logic behind the new system because everyone seems to agree the old system was better. Especially since all our items were removed and instead we have this new system in which you get cards, which could unlock awful stuff or dupes, and even then you still have to pay for them with diamonds. This is like star wars battlefront by EA.	MichaChaos Offline Fresh Boarder Shabbat Shalom my dudes Posts: 44 Thanks received: 1 Karma: -3
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Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

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MichaChaos wrote:

I'd like to know the logic behind the new system because everyone seems to agree the old system was better. Especially since all our items were removed and instead we have this new system in which you get cards, which could unlock awful stuff or dupes, and even then you still have to pay for them with diamonds. This is like star wars battlefront by EA.

Honestly man you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

The old Pointshop was messed with by various developers/owners and was a total shambles trying to add/fix anything as it was so delicate and brittle in terms of robustness. Xnator has worked his ass off making this new Pointshop which gives us a much easier time expanding the functionality, adding new content and more while being a very maintainable addon which, in theory, any competent developer could work in without spending too long trying to figure out how it works.

The ZARP Store is in no way comparable to EA's Battlefront 2 launch controversy because... you can't buy lootboxes?

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Old players weren't rewarded at all. All I got was a bunch of crappy skins which I have to pay for to get. Go on the server and ask for opinions, most people will say they dislike the new system.	MichaChaos Offline Fresh Boarder Shabbat Shalom my dudes Posts: 44 Thanks received: 1 Karma: -3
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New shop system is terrible 4 years 4 months ago #1183476

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Old players weren't rewarded at all. All I got was a bunch of crappy skins which I have to pay for to get. Go on the server and ask for opinions, most people will say they dislike the new system.

Compensations have been given out, this new system is refreshing and people will not like it to begin with until they start to adapt to it. Plus old PS was a big fucking mess for developers, so much stress and work was put into it whereas the new PS is a lot more easier to work with since Xnator is a competent developer and makes his code easy to understand and to work with so in the long run this is extremely beneficial for more PS updates and we can keep adding some of the old things into the new PS if you suggest them.

Items were reset because a fresh reset was needed in all honesty (plus it's impossbile to do due to how they work), we understand not everyone will be happy with this but like I mentioned compensation for this was given out.

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We understand the concerns about the new pointshop and are still looking to improve it. To see the full details on what is being changed in the new pointshop, you can check out this thread here You can issue your concerns or suggestions for the new pointshop on this thread: zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/10-announ...as-update-zarp-store rather than making new ones.	Henny Offline Legendary Member LLHA Posts: 2974 Thanks received: 2237 Karma: 24
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Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

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Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

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TheRealNepgear wrote:

Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

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Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

You're making it a bigger deal than what it really is, dont try to invalidate what myself & people are saying lmfao

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Clarky wrote:

TheRealNepgear wrote:

Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

You're making it a bigger deal than what it really is, dont try to invalidate what myself & people are saying lmfao

Lmao, I dont know if you read it or not, but I dont try to invalidate what you said. I even said in the reply that it doesnt look bad and that it is nice that it is easier to implement new things now. But the community has spoken already and a lot of people are angry about the fact that they lost everything and got some shitty skins back in return, for their months of grinding those other skins and points. The only thing I see on here is how the LT tries to make less of a deal out of it than it actually is.

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TheRealNepgear wrote:

Clarky wrote:

TheRealNepgear wrote:

Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

You're making it a bigger deal than what it really is, dont try to invalidate what myself & people are saying lmfao

Lmao, I dont know if you read it or not, but I dont try to invalidate what you said. I even said in the reply that it doesnt look bad and that it is nice that it is easier to implement new things now. But the community has spoken already and a lot of people are angry about the fact that they lost everything and got some shitty skins back in return, for their months of grinding those other skins and points. The only thing I see on here is how the LT tries to make less of a deal out of it than it actually is.

Im not sure why you continue to group the LT as if we are all trying to make it less of a deal than it actually is. I for one am not a fan of the inventory wipes or the new card pack based system, and I joined the spacer with the CM team to make that clear and for them to understand my and the players concerns. They have already stated the inventory wipe is necessary and there isnt much I can do about that, and I understand their reason for doing so. I was asking for compensations (which were already the plan) and feel as though the compensation given wasnt enough for what was lost. I also brought up the idea of having a base shop where players can purchase what they wish, and the rare/legendary items will come from the card packs which will ensure their rarity and help the pointshop economy in the long run. I don't believe the current system of every skin/item coming from a card pack and being random is a good idea, and changes are going to be made in the future. Don't discredit the whole TTT LT as if we are just accepting of this current pointshop model and allowing anything to happen to it as that is not the case, Im trying my best to balance the interests of the players on the server with those of the CM team and pointshop economy, and feel the current plan for the pointshop is great, as new changes will be implemented.

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They have already stated the inventory wipe is necessary and there isnt much I can do about that

And why is that? Its not like the skins give you an advantage, or do they? and if they do Xnator or whoever is in charge of coding should've fixed them so that they're not superior to the default ones - which again, they aren't. No one asked for it, just came out of nowhere. The inventory wipes were wanted by NO ONE and a lot of people are complaining about it.

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Henny wrote:

TheRealNepgear wrote:

Clarky wrote:

TheRealNepgear wrote:

Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

You're making it a bigger deal than what it really is, dont try to invalidate what myself & people are saying lmfao

Lmao, I dont know if you read it or not, but I dont try to invalidate what you said. I even said in the reply that it doesnt look bad and that it is nice that it is easier to implement new things now. But the community has spoken already and a lot of people are angry about the fact that they lost everything and got some shitty skins back in return, for their months of grinding those other skins and points. The only thing I see on here is how the LT tries to make less of a deal out of it than it actually is.

Im not sure why you continue to group the LT as if we are all trying to make it less of a deal than it actually is. I for one am not a fan of the inventory wipes or the new card pack based system, and I joined the spacer with the CM team to make that clear and for them to understand my and the players concerns. They have already stated the inventory wipe is necessary and there isnt much I can do about that, and I understand their reason for doing so. I was asking for compensations (which were already the plan) and feel as though the compensation given wasnt enough for what was lost. I also brought up the idea of having a base shop where players can purchase what they wish, and the rare/legendary items will come from the card packs which will ensure their rarity and help the pointshop economy in the long run. I don't believe the current system of every skin/item coming from a card pack and being random is a good idea, and changes are going to be made in the future. Don't discredit the whole TTT LT as if we are just accepting of this current pointshop model and allowing anything to happen to it as that is not the case, Im trying my best to balance the interests of the players on the server with those of the CM team and pointshop economy, and feel the current plan for the pointshop is great, as new changes will be implemented.

Ok, maybe it was a bit rude of me to group the whole TTT leadteam together and just blame all of you(which wasnt my intend), but I was kinda angry when I typed it up so I apologise for that and I am happy that there will be changes to the pointshop in the future. BUT I'll stand by my point that some LT member try to make it look less worse and I still dont think it was needed, what fucked up the economy in the first place *cough* *cough*. You shouldnt punish everyone, when only some people abused it and ruined the economy, because there were some people who didnt, but hey the change already happened, nothing we can change

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TheRealNepgear wrote:

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Henny wrote:

TheRealNepgear wrote:

Clarky wrote:

TheRealNepgear wrote:

Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

You're making it a bigger deal than what it really is, dont try to invalidate what myself & people are saying lmfao

Lmao, I dont know if you read it or not, but I dont try to invalidate what you said. I even said in the reply that it doesnt look bad and that it is nice that it is easier to implement new things now. But the community has spoken already and a lot of people are angry about the fact that they lost everything and got some shitty skins back in return, for their months of grinding those other skins and points. The only thing I see on here is how the LT tries to make less of a deal out of it than it actually is.

Im not sure why you continue to group the LT as if we are all trying to make it less of a deal than it actually is. I for one am not a fan of the inventory wipes or the new card pack based system, and I joined the spacer with the CM team to make that clear and for them to understand my and the players concerns. They have already stated the inventory wipe is necessary and there isnt much I can do about that, and I understand their reason for doing so. I was asking for compensations (which were already the plan) and feel as though the compensation given wasnt enough for what was lost. I also brought up the idea of having a base shop where players can purchase what they wish, and the rare/legendary items will come from the card packs which will ensure their rarity and help the pointshop economy in the long run. I don't believe the current system of every skin/item coming from a card pack and being random is a good idea, and changes are going to be made in the future. Don't discredit the whole TTT LT as if we are just accepting of this current pointshop model and allowing anything to happen to it as that is not the case, Im trying my best to balance the interests of the players on the server with those of the CM team and pointshop economy, and feel the current plan for the pointshop is great, as new changes will be implemented.

Ok, maybe it was a bit rude of me to group the whole TTT leadteam together and just blame all of you(which wasnt my intend), but I was kinda angry when I typed it up so I apologise for that and I am happy that there will be changes to the pointshop in the future. BUT I'll stand by my point that some LT member try to make it look less worse and I still dont think it was needed, what fucked up the economy in the first place *cough* *cough*. You shouldnt punish everyone, when only some people abused it and ruined the economy, because there were some people who didnt, but hey the change already happened, nothing we can change

bro i joined ttt for first time to check out the new shop and u slayed me for picking up a minecart with the weird stick, not cool!

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TheRealNepgear wrote:

Chespin wrote:

Idk where you got the fact that everyone prefers the old system, I and many others like the new system as it rewards consistent players, gives a benefit to older players through the reimbursements and brings newer players more into the loop
Personally, I find the new system refreshing and very well made, and I wouldn't want the old one back, even if there was a possibility of that happening, which as of now there isn't

I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update. I have not encountered anyone who unironically told me they like the new pointshop mechanics lmao. It doesnt look bad, but who asked for fucking card packs. I honestly dont want to have to trust into "RANDOMNESS" to get a skin. I always got annoyed enough when I wanted a skin and I had to spin the wheel to get the case and be lucky to get the skin then. I now have to trust into luck evertime I want something? I could just buy any MMORPG and experience the feeling of grinding with the factor of "Randomness" there, I dont want to experience that in gmod thats just bs. And for the reimbursements, you tell me that people who play on the server for a long time, who literally gathered millions of points and a nice collection of skins, loose all of that and get 10 shitty card packs and barely enough to activate one skin back, which they dont even probably like? That is not "rewarding" old players, its just fucking them in the ass ngl. New players never had a hard time getting into PS, they had to play for like a week and they could afford a Skin, if not someone who played longer gave them one already. It might be possible that it is easier to implement stuff now, but like at what costs. Stop making it look less worse than it is atm

I don't get why I've been singled out for expressing my honest opinion on the update, and even worse, you've blamed the rest of the LT for my beliefs? What did they even do? I never mentioned any of them by name nor even referred to them, this is entirely my beliefs and a few select others that I've spoken to. To be completely honest it's just plain disrespectful to pin this on everyone else.
As well as this, I never said the update was perfect, I said that not everyone preferred the old system, of course there is going to be backlash as there is in any game that ever received a pretty big update. It's the biggest Zarp TTT update ever for a reason, it brings about a lot of change, and you've got to adapt to the change put in front of you instead of just straight up complaining about not getting the skin you want

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New shop system is terrible 4 years 4 months ago #1183545

Yes, the inventory wipe isnt the best. But have any of you that have actually complained about the wipe even tried coding before? Its difficult asf and a balance between functions and tricks. A solution can take ages to reach, why do you guys think companies hire multiple teams of coders? We have Xnator. Who is trying his best. A solution will be reached eventually as we have members of lead team that DO care about player interests and are trying to get fairer solutions. Im not happy with it either but whining and raging about it wont get you anywhere. They have already stated that implementation of new updates will be easier to do, which means we will hopefully keep getting new content. Stop whining, theyre trying their best

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TheRealNepgear wrote: I really like how the LT tries to deny that people are not happy with the update Congratulations, you successfully triggered me.	Jim_Jam Offline Former Community Manager TTT is my child ❤️ Posts: 8585 Thanks received: 3491 Karma: -32
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