TOPIC: [SSRP] From Miner to Raider in 2 seconds

I had a very sad situation today. The video explains what happened, and then it happened again later on.



After the video, I learned that some rules are not definitive, as much as they are interpreted differently by the community / it's staff members.
Apparantly asking one something can lead to complete naught when taking the same situation to another.

For example, after this video I'm in a sit with a moderator, Kevin_Line.
He searches for if Carrots are a raidable entity, to me this situation is already annoying, and I Don't really mind the outcome, I just want it over with. Yet while he searches, he mic spams, he job abuses in sit, disrespecting and generally minging. What would on other servers be directly minging on the spot, is casual patience apparantly.

Anyhow Kevin comes back and tells me it's not a raidable entity, therefore what I am told is, that if he can see the video then he'll be sure that it happened.

During the sit, that I was in, he already disrespected me.
1.2 Disrespect - Users of the ZARP community server are to conduct themselves respectfully at all times.

He also mic spammed.
1.6 Mic spam - Spamming the mic is unacceptable in any format, whether it be screaming, singing, repeating yourself or playing music unless another rule states otherwise.

I'm not seeing anything on this /me leave or die situation that occured though.

2.1 Random Death Match - In order to kill a player, you must have a role-play-valid reason to do so. Crossfire is not an excuse to shoot someone around the area of where you're shooting / raiding .

Now, where in the rules states that anywhere at any time, can one say /me leave or die, and just randomly kill people.
Ryan thinks it's allowed, I'm not sure cuz' I've never heard of it, I mean, I might have been away for some time, but the rules are still written.
Am I at the wrong link?
zarpgaming.com/index.php/forum/darkrp/36...ules-updated-6-19-15

Can someone link me to the special rules or something? Are there VIP rules? I mean, this isn't supposed to be under fearRP rules, unless someone desperately misunderstood these right? I mean, I just can't find a way to justify Chromaa's acts like Ryan did, who taught him this?
And Kevin who is not on same foot as Ryan, I'm sorry to ask for this much, but can we synchronize the staff members? Like, 'integrate' specificies...

Anyhow, after this video was uploaded Kevin was afk, now 23:51 it happened again, so that's when I call Ryan, and I show him the last video, and also tell him it just happened again. I mean an admin should have kill logs, namechange logs, echo logs on most of the things right, is there something wrong? So anyhow, he in words, justified this, tho' cannot prove that he did, I'm just going to say how I understood the rules. In this video here is the pros of Chromaa acting as he is.

1. I have planted carrots, he can raid me. ( I don't find this really offensive, as it may be true, it's no big deal, I'm not mad about this, but about the whole situation of non-agreement on the SAME TEAM.

2. Changing from miner to gangster in 2 seconds then bringing out RPG to raid just around 5 seconds difference in it all, is okay, just to kill someone it's a fair predicament, and is justified by SEMI SERIOUS ROLEPLAY, almost like the rules, just a tad different.

3. At any place, point or time, if you advert /me leave or die, you can kill that person if he doesn't leave. Also in mining district to afk players and alike. The only thing you can't do, is do this in crowds. So no mass RDM'ing justified, but accordingly just bind say "/me leave or die" and you can kill a few people along the way for not leaving and getting the fuck out. Seems fun.

4. If you don't see it happening, no one broke a rule, apparantly logs are of no use in this brains and pawns game.

5. When the other part is afk he can't interrogate him, so we just let him be and forget this whole incident forever, why not? We are patient, it will happen again sometime right.

I don't know, I just felt like raging a bit, try getting two different answers for the same situation double. And the fact that annoys me the most, is that the two staff members, ryan and kevin, seemingly don't think the same of the rules, many black/grey areas in the rules? Or more relaxed opinions on the SSRP rules in comparison, Idk which it is.

(Btw I have more video of that situation in the video or later happenings, but I don't know much of what I got as it was not me who filmed. Leave a comment I would love to hear how things alike happened to you.)

Things might have changed a lot since I was in administration of gmod servers, I mean we used to play it all on logs, and not necessarily hard judgement, but set aside time to speak to both parts and most of the times looking at the logs it's easy to say what happened. And apparantly now logs don't prove anything to the staff members, they only want screenshots and video proof, else it's not worth shit. i might be old school, but it was never hard to make the judgement in simplistic situations, especially not knowing the boundaries of the rules, and if staff didn't have the same opinion, only one possibility was apparant, that is that one is right, while the other is not. I know the rules, I know the ethos, I know much of Zarp and I like the servers, and I don't mind the staff ethos at all, but I can't seem to find peace in contradiction between staff members.

Bump lel. Also bananafish recently banned and appealed, we Got video of hun proppushing, and we Saw him put of map spawning props, we also told Kevin in the same sit. But thus no reaction.

Chroma is a minge. Saw him propminging around a few hours before this happened.

Plz make a warn/ban request if you wish to report this player.

Lock plz.

MsRevine wrote: no need for a lock he's tryna make a point

Smo wrote:
As Revine said if you want him punished then a report abuse will be needed, if you have any questions feel free to add me on Steam.

Carrot plants are definately raidable entities please make sure your staff know simple rules...

Smo wrote:
No point in making a point in a regular post, thats why i told him to make a request.
Plz don't tell me how to handle these, thx.

BremFM wrote:
This is not connected to the topic.
Anyways, you can warn him/request an admin to help you.

And when people will understand that Minge = P**sy???
So much wrong use.

I am trying to make a point. I had 3 consecutive staff members look at that video right after it occuring. If there cannot be anything done ingame, then what is the point of staff being online at all?

The first and foremost important reason to post in a normal thread, is because they are used for discussions, not for decisions etc. I can already tell you are not much for discussing MsRevine, but I am not looking for justice. I care about the zarp server. And I care about the players. Somehow I get the feeling that contradiction between staff is a really crucial existence.

I understand if you do not want to share your opinion, but others might.

Im gonna tell you one last time:

If you feel like this player should be punished, make a report on the forums instead of wasting your time creating this post.
This post can cause drama, and basically you won't get nothing from it.
Just make a report and it can get accepted if you have enough proof etc.
Good luck.

MsRevine wrote: why do people buy shit for u lol

MsRevine wrote:
You're the one who can initially start this so called drama, or already starting it without knowing. Who gave you the greenlight of managing how a discussion should start, act and finish?

Minge is a term widely used in the Gmod community to define someone who is trolling and just simply being annoying. It doesn't have to be only the pussy, it can also be the hairs around the genitals - the latter is more common. I don't see it as a wrong use. You appear as someone who is hostile to sexuality and gets offended by the words penis and vagina.

Cause drama? I am sorry to say, but the most this thread will do is annoy people like you who is not mature enough to reason with. If you do not want to involve in the thread, then do not respond. I know how to 'handle' things too. And I already stated the purpose. I think it is too late to have him punished when 3 staff members online could not, what makes you think differently.

The whole point is that if I can propose the same rvidence ingame, to no avail, then what makes people even wanna go further and take it to the forum. At least try to understand if you wanna act high and play the blabber.

I like your input, or at least any input if there was some. The fact you do not even try to give my reasonings a thought, can mean you are ignorant on this matter. Can you dignify the actions of your colleagues? Or do you just want to push the situation aside and not let 'normal' players interfere in my thoughts. I mean, it is not like I could not complain, even Brandify only notified me, and then let the topic move on, after implying, directly indicating, that I do not care about his punishment, you keep telling me the same thing thrice.

This discussion is not to dwell on Chromaa, but rather the incoordination.

Please read the post and the corresponding response posts I made. I am not mad at you haha.

ChromaGod wrote:
If you spent time reading, you would see that what I emphasized was not your actions, but how I got told multiple different things about the same event. Sure I do not like you rulebreaking, but you getting a warn is not beneficial for me. F you want to change would that be of help to you? I am not mad nor evil. Why would I supress your opportunity for a smooth transition. I think you misunderstood my motive.
I am generally a kind and friendly guy, I am not here to let hell loose or get 'revenge' because I was wronged. Hope this cleared the tension between us a little.

I know you play for fun, and that it is reasonable to be taken aback by the ecstacy, I also know the feel, so I have absolutely also done such things around four five years back in gmod. I also had bans from the biggest servers once, but it is the past.

Brandify wrote: don't you dare argue with me

MsRevine wrote: Once you learn how to use grammar correctly.

Hey, Jordan or Clarky, or any Global Mod please lock this thread, thank you.