TOPIC: [TTT] Use the minecraft map with noclip minecarts

Server Name: ★ ZARPGAMING.COM - TTT 24/7 Minecraft

Suggestion Title: Replace the current map with the one that has no-clip minecarts.

How would it benefit the server: Prop killing is not allowed (understandable), but also prop flying is warnable, so it makes no sense to keep the minecarts useable in game. All they cause is trouble. The most benign way I've seen them being used is to protect players from falling in tester lava, which is still abusing and not allowed.

Potential Issues/Exploits: Nope.

Additional notes: I can't seem to find the map version I'm talking about, but I know a server which uses it so it shouldn't be too hard. I'm posting this to see if this idea has any merit.

Edit: I'm talking about the non-Christmas map.

I suggested this a while ago but the props can be used by ts who use the poltergeist a weapon that sends props flying around potentially damaging other players plus getting rid of the minecarts means we can't call the map ttt b5 anymore since we removed part of the map which means less new players will come since the name b5 itself attracts people as its a popular map

Vodka4Gaben wrote:
True, I just don't see why keep them as a potential hazard.

turtleboi wrote:

jam wrote:
I'm not sure about the fact that LESS players will come with a name change, since the new map is something like ...b5_new.
Solid point about T weapons, but I'm 100% positive more RDMs occur than legit T kills with carts, it's a tradeoff.

turtleboi wrote:
When a new player is looking for a server with a specific map, they search for the map name. If any changes are made to the map, our server is no longer 'ttt_minecraft_b5' which means players will not see us on that list. They will need the map that we use meaning potentially less new players.

hazzenator wrote:
Ah, I see. The reason I was motivated to post this idea was with the rising prop abuse recently (mostly prop kills) which goes unpunished, simply because logs don't show your magneto stick grabbing a cart.

A natural progression would be to ask if it is possible to upgrade the logs in order to include this action. Is there something like this in the horizon? Is it too difficult/troublesome to implement?

turtleboi wrote:
I imagine it'd be rather difficult and wouldn't help much if it just shown the pick up, It's easier to prompt users to have a playback recorder and then they can just send us that which may or may not show whom prop abused

So you're implying the removal of the Poltergeist? As well as a pretty big nerf to the newton launcher? Not only is that a pretty unnecessary change, but also a map change, which as Hazzenator explained, would be detrimental for the server's popularity.

Davidov007 wrote: does anyone even use the poltergeist?

Davidov007 wrote:
Well, inevitable so, yes. There are way more RDMs and abuses with carts than there are legitimate kills. Maybe someone uses the poltergeist once in 1000 games, and the newton launcher is not really nerfed as it is mostly used to push people off edges. Getting a minecart newton launcher kill means you most likely need someone afk, lined up with the cart, and most likely you will be spotted, so it's not a nerf, it's a change.

Since the name of the map is important, this discussion is dead anyways.

turtleboi wrote: While people don't use the poltergeist that much (which is it's own problem as well, the poltergeist is a super fun weapon!), making a change that negatively affects a weapon is classified as a nerf, so my argument stands.

Since we've reached an understanding about why the minecarts cannot be removed, this topic can now be locked.

Thanks for making the suggestion!