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Hollow Field 4 days 8 hours ago #1245775

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Suggestion Name: Hollow Field

How Would It Benefit The Server: Would allow players to experience basing/raiding before the advent of numerous overpowered weapons/defenses.

Potential Exploits: None, from what I'm aware, but I imagine it might be tricky to code.

EDITS: So far, people have brought up the following things as potential exploits, a huge thanks for asking questions, posing problems - it really helps:

1) People potentially going into the area with the intention of purposely unequipping a special weapon rather than having to wait. (There have been suggestions for counters to this, my personal suggestion - which was also suggested by Daniel first - was to make it so that players have to use a gate to get into the HF, this removes their weapons if they accept the sacrifice, otherwise they just have to wait until it's unquipped.)

2) Teddy asked is there enough space for this? If it becomes successful enough, all the spots in the HF could be taken very quickly by more experienced players, thereby robbing new players of their chance. There are counters to this, you could make it so that the space is larger than all other districts, with plenty of buildings to choose from. You could also "ghost" the entire server, as suggested by Jeppe. For those who want the classic experience, they'd simply have to switch a button in the F4 menu, or something along those lines. This is arguably a lot more work, as I'd imagine this is the equivalent of having almost two servers in one, and there's the matter of what happens to people's printers and the like if they decide to hop from classic to normal, or normal to classic. Possibly latency/FPS issues? Maybe also having this might encourage trolls to do something on normal, and then switch to classic when they're pulled to a sit (could just be kicked or banned, but yeah.)

Additional Notes: Hollow Field is my idea of something of a compromise for players wishing for a return to 'Classic' ZARP. Create a spot in the map, even an entire district, if need be - one that whenever stepped into, will force-unequip all of their weapons and armour and significant, specific items. One that has a gate that forces places to either remove their current special weapons entirely, or wait until they're holstered (obviously they'd have to die or be arrested/frisked if they wanted to get rid of unholsterable/undroppable weapons). They will be unable to use anything but basic guns and props in this area. This means no handcannons, no base shields, etc. The only special items they'll be able to use are - dependent upon the overall opinion of the community - special printers (perhaps limited to GenCorp or Gold Plated at the highest tier), and triple boosters. Also, printers can not be reclaimed in this area.

Furthermore, should Weapon Case items be used in Hollow Field? I think that's up to the playerbase, but these items *do* take away from the general skill-based combat, even if they aren't overly effective in the current meta.

You can go about this three ways:

1) It's one specific district.

2) It hops districts every day, much like the rolling events.

3) It creates a new district every day, and then deletes it at the end of the day. This can be just between two or three new additions to the map. This one would obviously require the most work, and probably isn't really worth the hassle, but hey - just thought I'd make the suggestion.

Conclusion: Frankly, I don't expect this to be overly popular, as some may suggest it's unnecessary, especially when so many people already dominate the economy. But for new players, this could offer a safe haven away from suits and overpowered weaponry they don't have a defense against. The Hollow Field is intended to be a "taste" of classic, skill-based basing, while still keeping the rest of the map in line with the current, most recent updates.
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Hollow Field 4 days 8 hours ago #1245778

This is actually a really solid idea, I feel like this could be a place where new players could thrive till they of course grow and aquire newer items, and everyone will be on equal grounds
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Hollow Field 4 days 8 hours ago #1245783

Personally, I think it'd be quite entertaining for older players to come on, go to the Hollow Field and be able to base the way they did five years ago without worrying about any crazy weapons or anything blowing up their shit.

Basing, at the moment, is difficult. The gang bases are okay, but they do pump a *lot* of money into the economy that can be quite damaging. This could allow players to have an equal battleground.
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Hollow Field 4 days 8 hours ago #1245784

This would also be a great way of seeing if people want, and would stick to a "classic" server. If people are basing exclusively in the Hollow area then it's pretty clear a classic server is needed!

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Hollow Field 4 days 8 hours ago #1245785

Father Watson wrote:
Personally, I think it'd be quite entertaining for older players to come on, go to the Hollow Field and be able to base the way they did five years ago without worrying about any crazy weapons or anything blowing up their shit.

Basing, at the moment, is difficult. The gang bases are okay, but they do pump a *lot* of money into the economy that can be quite damaging. This could allow players to have an equal battleground.
I would be in there very often, two things on my mind.

Would this area allow new printers?

And would this completely disable special weapons or allow og speical tiems , i.e milkor, m202 ect, because of the broken economy people have hundreds of these items so could just perma spam them to raid which is not what the old experience was like, I would have been scared to lose one milkor in a raid
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Hollow Field 4 days 8 hours ago #1245797

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Father Watson wrote:
Personally, I think it'd be quite entertaining for older players to come on, go to the Hollow Field and be able to base the way they did five years ago without worrying about any crazy weapons or anything blowing up their shit.

Basing, at the moment, is difficult. The gang bases are okay, but they do pump a *lot* of money into the economy that can be quite damaging. This could allow players to have an equal battleground.
I would be in there very often, two things on my mind.

Would this area allow new printers?

And would this completely disable special weapons or allow og speical tiems , i.e milkor, m202 ect, because of the broken economy people have hundreds of these items so could just perma spam them to raid which is not what the old experience was like, I would have been scared to lose one milkor in a raid

That's a very valid question. You're right, a lot of people in the server have hundreds of the OG special weapons. I imagine if we wanted to truly level the playing field, we could add in certain factors, like perhaps a limit on how many special weapons we're allowed to carry in, if any - I initially suggested it with the intention of no specials whatsoever. Some players have suggested they wanted a server even before explosives - as they break the props.

I suppose the real question here is if we want props to be destroyable in the Hollow Field with explosives. As even these can ruin a new player's day. I'd say no explosives at all, but I'd also be open to specifying a limit, or allowing players to pre-select what their "loadout" will be in the hollow field, and they only get to use these weapons once a day or something.

As for new printers, I did say that one might benefit from anything up to Gold Plated - as that was the standard for powerful printers for quite some time. That said, in the current economy, it might not afford players that much of a strategic advantage against the massive price inflation of various goods. So, I suppose this one is down to how much people want pumped into the economy.
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This would also be a great way of seeing if people want, and would stick to a "classic" server. If people are basing exclusively in the Hollow area then it's pretty clear a classic server is needed!

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I'm not gonna lie to you, Jeppe. Honestly, I would still love to see a Classic Server. Even as a hardcore collector of the items - I honestly wouldn't mind sacrificing them all to start again in the Classic (while retaining them in the normal, up to date server).
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Hollow Field 4 days 7 hours ago #1245801

:support: stop adding items that turn this game into saints row ! This is a pill not a cure but a pill to slightly reduce the damage . :support:
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Hollow Field 4 days 7 hours ago #1245824

Quick thing, would a mod or any forum staff kindly add "[SSRP Suggestion]" or even just "[SSRP]" to the title?
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Hollow Field 4 days 6 hours ago #1245847

Father Watson wrote:
Lewis_is_java wrote:
Father Watson wrote:
Personally, I think it'd be quite entertaining for older players to come on, go to the Hollow Field and be able to base the way they did five years ago without worrying about any crazy weapons or anything blowing up their shit.

Basing, at the moment, is difficult. The gang bases are okay, but they do pump a *lot* of money into the economy that can be quite damaging. This could allow players to have an equal battleground.
I would be in there very often, two things on my mind.

Would this area allow new printers?

And would this completely disable special weapons or allow og speical tiems , i.e milkor, m202 ect, because of the broken economy people have hundreds of these items so could just perma spam them to raid which is not what the old experience was like, I would have been scared to lose one milkor in a raid

That's a very valid question. You're right, a lot of people in the server have hundreds of the OG special weapons. I imagine if we wanted to truly level the playing field, we could add in certain factors, like perhaps a limit on how many special weapons we're allowed to carry in, if any - I initially suggested it with the intention of no specials whatsoever. Some players have suggested they wanted a server even before explosives - as they break the props.

I suppose the real question here is if we want props to be destroyable in the Hollow Field with explosives. As even these can ruin a new player's day. I'd say no explosives at all, but I'd also be open to specifying a limit, or allowing players to pre-select what their "loadout" will be in the hollow field, and they only get to use these weapons once a day or something.

As for new printers, I did say that one might benefit from anything up to Gold Plated - as that was the standard for powerful printers for quite some time. That said, in the current economy, it might not afford players that much of a strategic advantage against the massive price inflation of various goods. So, I suppose this one is down to how much people want pumped into the economy.
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This would also be a great way of seeing if people want, and would stick to a "classic" server. If people are basing exclusively in the Hollow area then it's pretty clear a classic server is needed!

:support:

I'm not gonna lie to you, Jeppe. Honestly, I would still love to see a Classic Server. Even as a hardcore collector of the items - I honestly wouldn't mind sacrificing them all to start again in the Classic (while retaining them in the normal, up to date server).

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Hollow Field 4 days 5 hours ago #1245848

Fortnite :D

:plussp: Love the idea, not sure how they would be able to implement this though.
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Hollow Field 4 days 5 hours ago #1245850

Inb4 salty kids who’ve spent thousands of afk hours and hundreds of dollars on their accounts find something to complain about
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Hollow Field 4 days 5 hours ago #1245851

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Inb4 salty kids who’ve spent thousands of afk hours and hundreds of dollars on their accounts find something to complain about

I've done both sadly, I am not sure that people would be upset about it unless it would be added in a way that people don't enjoy it, but from what I can tell it would add something skill based.
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Hollow Field 4 days 5 hours ago #1245854

Nikoo wrote:
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Inb4 salty kids who’ve spent thousands of afk hours and hundreds of dollars on their accounts find something to complain about

I've done both sadly, I am not sure that people would be upset about it unless it would be added in a way that people don't enjoy it, but from what I can tell it would add something skill based.
Trust me all the sweaty fuckers will find SOMETHING to complain about. This amazing suggestion is tempting their $5B suit induced god complex.
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Hollow Field 4 days 5 hours ago #1245855

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Inb4 salty kids who’ve spent thousands of afk hours and hundreds of dollars on their accounts find something to complain about

I've done both sadly, I am not sure that people would be upset about it unless it would be added in a way that people don't enjoy it, but from what I can tell it would add something skill based.
Trust me all the sweaty fuckers will find SOMETHING to complain about. This amazing suggestion is tempting their $5B suit induced god complex.

OH GOD, GUYS HES PUSHING WITH A PSG. MY BIND ISNT WORKING.... I CANT PUT MY SUIT ON WTF?

I guess it is kind of a sad truth, still hope we can see something that brings old PvP back tho.
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Hollow Field 3 days 20 hours ago #1245895

I think it might be worth adding that perhaps they make it so people can't shoot specials into the Hollow Field from outside it.
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Hollow Field 3 days 20 hours ago #1245896

Shark wrote:
Nikoo wrote:
Shark wrote:
Inb4 salty kids who’ve spent thousands of afk hours and hundreds of dollars on their accounts find something to complain about

I've done both sadly, I am not sure that people would be upset about it unless it would be added in a way that people don't enjoy it, but from what I can tell it would add something skill based.
Trust me all the sweaty fuckers will find SOMETHING to complain about. This amazing suggestion is tempting their $5B suit induced god complex.
Looking forward to the golden psg suggestion from one of these said people who can't assimilate a noob in a fraction of a second anymore.

Also character upgrades?
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Hollow Field 3 days 20 hours ago #1245897

the only downside i can think of - what if people use the district to instantly unequip special weapons
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Hollow Field 3 days 19 hours ago #1245903

DANlEL wrote:
the only downside i can think of - what if people use the district to instantly unequip special weapons
If you walk into it with a special item equipped you lose it
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Hollow Field 3 days 19 hours ago #1245904

Lewis_is_java wrote:
DANlEL wrote:
the only downside i can think of - what if people use the district to instantly unequip special weapons
If you walk into it with a special item equipped you lose it
What if it had some kind of gate which you can only pass if you don't have any blacklisted items on you
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Hollow Field 3 days 19 hours ago #1245905

DANlEL wrote:
Lewis_is_java wrote:
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the only downside i can think of - what if people use the district to instantly unequip special weapons
If you walk into it with a special item equipped you lose it
What if it had some kind of gate which you can only pass if you don't have any blacklisted items on you

Or something like the casino (I think? I haven't played SSRP in years) where you talk to a NPC and it takes you there.
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I think it might be worth adding that perhaps they make it so people can't shoot specials into the Hollow Field from outside it.

This would also fix this issue
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