TOPIC: [TTT] Rule "change" suggestion

Old Rule 1.7a wrote:





Old 2.1 wrote:




Old 2.2. wrote:







Alternate spelling for those who prefer it.

Vodka4Gaben wrote:
Why yes/no? Would love to hear your reasoning

i support the 1st rule change whit the prop shield its a nice tatic thats curently just siting away for no reason what so ever

for the other rules ima be honest whit ya i didnt understand anything so ill reread this later and edit this post (:

Shielding itself isn't the issue, it's that while you're holding it to protect yourself, going near anyone pushes them with you, and this would just be an excuse to prop push people off edges - "Oh, I was using the minecart as a shield but he got in the way" for example.
Other than that, a clarification of the RDM rule is fine, and giving people time to respond to warnings is kind of detrimental to detectives forcing people to test as they are wasting more time on one person, but not an issue that would outweigh the benefits the change would bring.

MLGChespin wrote:
I have discussed the same point about 1.7a with Miia and I believe that it's not an excuse to break other points of 1.7a so if you violate the rule (for example push people) when shielding its your fault and a violation of the rule 1.7a. Me and Miia never got to agreement on that issue

Nice to see you appreciated the other edits though. Could you please elaborate what you commented on the change of 2.2 as I had a hard time following your point

Giving people ample time to respond, for example if someone is blocking a door I have to give them 5 seconds to move after the 3rd warning before I kill them will give people who may be tabbed out a chance to come back and keep playing, however when I'm a detective I want to get someone in and out the tester ASAP, not wait around for a minute for them to delay as much as possible on their way to the tester room.

Yush

I like the change to 1.7a because prop shielding just shouldn't be warnable and it is quite a good gameplay mechanic and I doubt anybody actually warns for it

I also think the rewording of 2.1 is good because it does sound quite a bit more simple

Agree for all but the last point mainly because i feel it will simply cause issues with people scared to kill people or people who are new not understanding

Kyber wrote:
I see that you could get the picture. Is there any way you would word it better whilst keeping the original thesis? The attempt is not to alter gameplay and rather have it in clear writing that players dont have to follow KOS'es they dont trust/believe

I agree with all points but the prop one. I just think allowing users to use props as shield will cause more problems. There are too many loopholes they can use to excuse prop pushing or even if someone accidentally kill someone with a prop. If someone uses a prop to shield and then swings it by "accident" and hit someone to "accidentally" kill them will just cause so much more problems.


Your rules change to 2.2 is nice as its a simpler way of explain RDM.

I like the idea of the props on the map having a purpose

as for the other rules really only wording has been changed so I think making them more simple and concise is absolutely ok

Davidov007 wrote:
This is where we fundamentally disagree sadly. How I see is that if shielding is removed from the forbidden uses of the props it could be utilized, but not exploited as if someone does something (for example prop kills) because of the attempt to shield its still a prop kill and thus punishable. We do punish users for making accidental RDM's and so we should punish for accidental prop abuse as well. But I guess I am in the minority with my view on the issue

LonelyDodo wrote:

Bump. I would love to discuss these further and dont believe I have heard all the opinions as of yet

LonelyDodo wrote: “You are allowed to ignore KOSes if you do not believe they are valid. Your decision should be made as to whichever choice you believe would benefit your team the most.”

LonelyDodo wrote: Are you saying it is necessary to punish for accidents? If someone new to the server with 0 recents accidentally killed someone (depending on how they respond to the report and their attitude in the chat etc) I would not punish them for it, and i’m sure most other staff members wouldn’t.

Eddie. wrote:
Rule violations must have consequences. Although the consequences may differ when dealing with diffrent people as staff ethos so clearly states. A user that has a good attitude and no previous punishments nor any ill intentions with a minor rule break (for example prop pushing) should not be slain or warned because the situation doesnt require you to do so. Instead they should be verbally warned that they are doing something wrong and continuing to do so will give them more severe punishments. As staff member you should not ignore rule violations and rather just decide tge right approach on the issue.