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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223942

Staff Member(s) Name: Ross and Rittsu
Staff Member(s) SteamID: idk - they're your staff
Server - (What server was this on?) TTT Server 1
Time And Date (CET) - (When did it happen?)
20:54 UK Time - 11/05/2020
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I got a 3 day ban from Rittsu after being falsely muted by Ross for 5 mins over "Racism" - I would like this revoked if possible, or at the very least shortened

What Did The Staff Member(s) do?: Falsely punished me without checking logs properly - a bit trigger happy with the ban hammer

Story - (What happened?)
At 20:54 UK time (not sure what round it would have been) I put into chat:

"Can I say ****" and then put "clearly not". I typed asterisks as a joke and didnt type anything racist as accused, assuming the staff would handle things properly and check logs instead of just blindly punishing what was put into the chat. Even after being muted, I asked the staff to check logs through admin chat, however instead of doing so I got banned by Rittsu.

Proof - (Any proof (video or screenshot) that clearly shows what happened.)
I've not got any proof as I got insta banned after my false mute, and I didn't record this. However surely logs will show that I typed 4 asterisks? Otherwise I would strongly recommend fixing your censoring algorithm you use
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223943

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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223948

Well asterisks are used to censor bad words and staff members cannot see throught the console if the user wrote a bad word or if he wrote only asterisks. But sure someone who has acces to the logs can confirm if you're right or not I guess.
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223949

Surely if staff can't confirm what was written, then they shouldn't punish people over what they think was put in chat?
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223963

LegoGuineaPig wrote:
Surely if staff can't confirm what was written, then they shouldn't punish people over what they think was put in chat?
Staff can’t access chat logs so if you put asterisk in chat they have every reason to believe you said the n word, I don’t really know what you expected to happen tbh
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223966

Maddox wrote:
LegoGuineaPig wrote:
Surely if staff can't confirm what was written, then they shouldn't punish people over what they think was put in chat?
Staff can’t access chat logs so if you put asterisk in chat they have every reason to believe you said the n word, I don’t really know what you expected to happen tbh
What are you on? Staff have no right to assume you did something with no evidence based on it. He shouldn’t be punished for racism unless there’s hard evidence that he was racist.
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223970

Can confirm, I shall be posting a similar complaint about Rittsu and Kevin shortly as they gagged me falsely as well for a similar incident. I said a player's name 'Negan' and got muted by Kevin. The fact I said the player's name was noted by Talking dog from family guy and Nay. Kevin refused to ungag me and Rittsu was incredibly rude and unprofessional. I had to take 10 mins out of my session to destress.
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223971

It depends on the context tbh, if he said something that would suggest that the asterisk would be the n word then staff should assume it as racism but if he just put a bunch of asteriks’s in chat then obviously he shouldn’t have been punished, sorry if I didn’t make that clear
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223995

Maddox wrote:
LegoGuineaPig wrote:
Surely if staff can't confirm what was written, then they shouldn't punish people over what they think was put in chat?
Staff can’t access chat logs so if you put asterisk in chat they have every reason to believe you said the n word, I don’t really know what you expected to happen tbh
No wonder you're not staff anymore
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1223998

Maddox wrote:
It depends on the context tbh, if he said something that would suggest that the asterisk would be the n word then staff should assume it as racism but if he just put a bunch of asteriks’s in chat then obviously he shouldn’t have been punished, sorry if I didn’t make that clear
But that’s not relevant for the situation? It obviously wasn’t clear that he said the n word, if he’d said the word but just replaced the i with an asterisk then it would be valid for a punishment, or something which obviously proves their intent to use the word, but in this context there is no way you can prove that he said the n word. Also you should know there clearly isn’t enough asterisks for the word to even represent the n word so you’re just grasping at straws here
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[TTT] Ross and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1224008

Hello LegoGuineaPig,

I have spoken to both staff members involved and looked at the evidence they have provided. I have ACCEPTED the part of the report in relation to Ross, as he did punish you invalidly which lead to a ban. The punishment will be removed from your rapsheet. He understands his mistakes and the knock on effect it had and is very sorry. He was spoken to and no further action will be taken at this time.

No action will be taken on Rittsu.

As you know the ban has also been removed from the appeal you posted. Please bare in mind you are still in the situation that 1 more warn will result in you being banned again.

Thanks for the report

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