TOPIC: [SSRP] Demote Request - Dr Richard

Comfy wrote:
I did read your comments. I was a Head Admin for a while. I know what I'm talking about. Unless they magically changed the Ethos (which I HIGHLY doubt) nothing has changed. So you can take your bad attitude and shove it. I'm trying to help you guys understand the way administrating works and how banning people works, since ya know you were supposed to be taught that during your training. It doesn't matter how bad his attitude is, or how many rules he breaks. You ban his based on his recents and what he is currently doing. You start small and work your way up.

Edit: you're a mod... what do you even know about banning/the proper way to ban? you weren't trained to nor do you have the command to.

TheCorgi wrote: I disagree with this notion. I know what you're talking about doubling the ban length, but imo it has always been a terrible way to deal with rulebreakers. People get chances; perhaps this time they got a little too many, and richie just banned the guy for a huge amount of time that reflects the punishments on his rap sheet.

Hate to bring it down to you though, but the staff ethos is a bunch of guidelines. Nothing more than that. If they get in the way of protecting the user's experience, you'll get a fucking hell of a ban hammer in your face, that reflects the amount of times you've been a cunt in the duration you've been in the server. Of course, time between the punishments and logic should be accounted. E.g. I'd easily permaban a guy who has a rap sheet with one or two mass rdms on his rap sheet every couple of weeks, because that motherfucker is exploiting the ethos.
Another example would be a user who returns from a permaban, and about a month after being unbanned he starts doing the same shit he did which caused the permaban; you bet that I'd warn the person to be cautious and aware. Next time he pulls some of this dumb shit again, it's a permaban, I wouldn't even give a fuck, he'd fully deserve it and he's clearly not changed yet he's playing on the server with that being the premise.

TheCorgi wrote: I disagree with this notion. I know what you're talking about doubling the ban length, but imo it has always been a terrible way to deal with rulebreakers. People get chances; perhaps this time they got a little too many, and richie just banned the guy for a huge amount of time that reflects the punishments on his rap sheet.

Hate to bring it down to you though, but the staff ethos is a bunch of guidelines. Nothing more than that. If they get in the way of protecting the user's experience, you'll get a fucking hell of a ban hammer in your face, that reflects the amount of times you've been a cunt in the duration you've been in the server. Of course, time between the punishments and logic should be accounted. E.g. I'd easily permaban a guy who has a rap sheet with one or two mass rdms on his rap sheet every couple of weeks, because that motherfucker is exploiting the ethos.
Another example would be a user who returns from a permaban, and about a month after being unbanned he starts doing the same shit he did which caused the permaban; you bet that I'd warn the person to be cautious and aware. Next time he pulls some of this dumb shit again, it's a permaban, I wouldn't even give a fuck, he'd fully deserve it and he's clearly not changed yet he's playing on the server with that being the premise.

dankek wrote:
The situations you describe here have nothing to do with the situation I'm reporting? Richard clearly shouldn't have banned the guy for 3 weeks, it's way too excessive and he knows it as well.

TheCorgi wrote: Oo you're hard Corgi

I'll get someone to handle this asap epussy

You don't know the rap sheet of the user who got banned, you don't know his attitude, you don't know what he has done up until that point, you don't know what he said to warrant such a long ban in the first place. Mass RDMing with multiple punishments on your rapsheet, even more so if there are multiple recent Mass RDM punishments can easily warrant a one month ban.

dankek wrote:
A permaban that came back to do that same things is different from this situation. I agree with you in that aspect, and I've unbanned people from permas, giving them a time frame in which they have to prove themselves to the server. Most times the people that had that became staff and turned themselves around because they were given that chance. As for your other example, that would be iffy and should probably be brought up to the LT rather than taking that into your own hands as an admin.

That's why I asked for Richards side of the story, because right now all we have is his ridiculous ban and him attempting to meme this request. What do you want me to take from that.

Also the whole doubling the ban thing I usually only kept to if it was within the first week. If they did something else ban worthy within the second week I'd basically "reset" it. It's different based on the situation obviously. And you should only double the ban if they're doing the SAME thing that they were banned for before.

dankek wrote: this ^^

Dr Richard wrote:
A 1 month ban should only be given if there are recent bans included on the rapsheet. You begin at a few days and work your way up to the month. That's what the ethos is about. Fair and equal treatment. If someone comes back a ban of 5 recent punishments of Mass RDM, then you double the ban length. If they do it again, you do it again. You can't just automatically give someone a month long ban because they have say 5 recents all pertaining to Mass RDM. They should have been banned 2-3 punishments ago, but this is hypothetical.

Richard how about you tell us if he had a recent ban (or just tell us your side of the story) rather than tiptoeing around it and trying to meme your demote request. Like c'mon.

TheCorgi wrote: I generally don't find the "slap on the wrist" option a good thing to do and I've always done the opposite of what you're describing. This is the reason that cancerous users were always playing, because simply with a week of not doing the same bs they'd just not get banned a lot.

Gamesys The Chiken God wrote:
I've asked repeatedly for Richard to give his side of the story, or give us some insight and yet there's none. So what else are we supposed to think besides from Eipus' report and Richard's attempt to meme this request. That he either can't prove himself or doesn't want to.

TheCorgi wrote:
Not taking any sides but based on your logic:

STEAM_0:1:426739601 punished by Richard Woodfield (STEAM_0:0:79280795). Banned on 22/09/2018 - 17:25:28 for 2 week(s) with reason 7 Recent Punishments + RDM + Lying To Staff

STEAM_0:1:426739601 punished by Dr Richard (STEAM_0:0:79280795). Updated Ban on 23/10/2018 - 18:13:26 for 2 week(s) with reason 5 Recent Punishements + Ignoring Sit + Constantly Rule Breaking [Mass RDM] - Minimal intention to RP

He did the exact same length.

AlphaLyle wrote:
Well I think the first one is still excessive. But again, I don't have any background info on that. The second one shouldn't have minimal intention to RP since you can't really punish for that. The other two I consider warnings, so really, he would only have 7 recents. A week max at that. The first one should still be a week max depending on what the situation is or if he had recent bans. What are you all not understanding about me saying that?

ill handle this, keep all posts on topic and within the TOU.