TOPIC: [FORUM] Demote Request - Xnator

Quatroking wrote:
yoo bro we thought you were dead

Quatroking wrote:
Redpowder is going to boom Xnator's forum rank

SkeletonWarrior wrote:
GOTEM dude

Everyone has had a chance to comment. So I will be locking this to avoid anymore drama that is not needed.

This will be handled later on when people get home. Thanks for the report

Handling.

RED is a lad

.uzi wrote:
XD

Seen as reaker is handling this now I’ll say my last bit and be done until we find out the results.

I don’t think this is the example that should be set if he was mad about something I’ve done previous to the boom box post then he should of spoken / handled it then. The boom box had nothing offensive, racist or objectable about it.

He’s not spoken to me nor as any other forum staff and the ethos says at least someone should. I’ve never been banned or warned and he went straight for a three day ban.

I tried to speak to him about it and he wanted none of it he tried denying it and also “shrugged” at me in the terms of he just doesn’t care. Which is not just disrespectful it’s not very professional at all.

He’s claimed to of spoken to other staff members who are “scared” of me but the ones I’ve spoken to haven’t a slightest idea what he’s talking about. He claims I say something about being Owner and I’ve not one mentioned being an owner of any sort since resigning.

If this is let go and he’s just “spoken” to it will give the community a very bad discription of whats right and wrong and will only back up the claim many of the people have that staff can get away with anything they want.

He claims I’ve been very confronting toward people in my posts and this again doesn’t break any rules I have only responded with an answer that is deserved. I’ve been more than helpful towards a lot of people and he’s failed to mention that fact due to him knowing he’s messed up.

He’s had numerous reports about his attitude and general way of dealing with things in the community. It’s not a fair ban it’s not justified and it was flat out ABUSE.

RedPowder wrote:
Isn't making a video about it and putting it in your signature a little over-do?

void1 wrote:
Maybe but when someone’s messed up it needs to be brought to the communities attention if he gets away with it now how many more times will it happen ?

Free my (whoops we can't show that on a Christian forum) Redpowder

RedPowder wrote:
Most of these used were denied. Some of them were either trolls/overruled/denied. If you want him to be punished look for the accepted ones, not the denied ones. Unless you are just getting the point of him being reported.

Annie Montana wrote:
Mine was accepted, if that counts for anything, but all of the evidence in it has either expired or been deleted by forum staff improperly..

Hello RedPowder,

I will appropriately analyse your report and go over every statement made. I will begin with the picture that incited your ban.


Firstly and most importantly we need to adress the context in which you made that post. Your defence regarding the matter is as follows: A Good Pianist stated that "actions speak louder than words". You, in response, posted "I have a BOOOM BOX", followed by a picture featuring an Asian child holding a boom box.

As you will recall, we briefly discussed the matter over Steam, where I asked you this:


I only thought about it further afterwards and so didn't ask you this over Steam, but why emphasise the "boom" part of the word if that was not your intention? Had you simply written "boom box" or "BOOM BOX" or anything similar I would understand your argument more than I do currently.

Regardless of that, let's assume that it was not your intention to imply that that child would blow themselves up. Let's instead focus on the following accusation from Xnator: that picture would alledgedly be racist. I'll go right out of the gate with this one: no, that picture is not racist, nor is the text above it.

Had your picture featured a racial stereotype of some sort it most definitely could have been considered racist content. This, however, is not true. Your picture features an Indian child holding a boom box. Nothing more, nothing less, and the possible implication that the child would blow themselves up holds no weight if the allegation is that this would be a racially loaded comment.

So yes, Xnator made a mistake by banning you for racism. He will be spoken to regarding that. However, just because what you posted is not racist, does not mean it does not breach TOU.

Terms of Use wrote: Objectionable material describes any content that could potentially be considered harmful. Now I don't want to go too deep into this, as the meaning of the term is incredibly vague. Quite literally anything can be considered objectionable, within certain limits.

As much as I don't want to assume that you meant that the child would blow up, the fact that you emphasised the "boom" part of the word as much as you did makes it difficult for me to read it in the way you intended. And clearly others, such as TheXnator, thought so as well. Therefore I'd like to direct you to another part of the TOU:

Terms of Use wrote: This means that moderators are allowed to remove posts at their own discretion if they believe the terms were violated. As multiple people see it as a violation of these terms, the post was rightfully removed.

So now that everything regarding the picture is out of the way we'll discuss the ban as a whole. You would be correct that the Staff Ethos would have been broken had you been banned over that solitary post. However, this is not the only post of yours that has been deleted recently.

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There's also one post where you show a similar kind of behaviour. I would argue this is borderline TOU breaking, not far enough to actually delete the post, however you do mention a homophobic slur in that picture.



The Staff Ethos mentions the following:

Staff Ethos wrote: You're saying that the Staff Ethos was broken as you were banned without being approached in any kind of a manner. But that is not what this line means. It means that you must be stopped in a different manner. Your posts being deleted would be such a tactic, and you are supposed to learn from it the moment a post of yours does get deleted. You're supposed to understand that what you did was not allowed and that you should stop. You're not supposed to continue doing it until someone decides that you've had enough chances.

The last element I will discuss is Xnator's attitude and overall hypocrisy. Firstly, the use of "sir" when speaking to you was straight up inappropriate. He was using it to mock you and was clearly not taking you seriously. Obviously this is not how staff should approach situations.

Secondly he lied about him banning you. I can't really say much about that. I personally think it's rather petty of him to straight up lie to you, but he's allowed to do so. He was also being a hypocrite, stating that nobody was brave enough to ban you despite them wanting to do so, yet he apparently wasn't brave enough to straight up tell you it was him that did so.

Overall he showed an attitude unbefitting of a staff member when speaking to you. He disregarded your concerns, continuously mocked you and it's practically insulting to someone that came to him with legitimate concerns.

So all things considered, was your ban legitimate? In my opinion, yes. Xnator was allowed to ban you. Not for racism, but for your overall behaviour on the forums, which is both mean-spirited and in some cases offensive, both of which breach the Terms of Use. However I told you this already over Steam: I wouldn't have banned you for as long as Xnator did.

Having looked through all of your posts I also see plenty of constructive, positive and helpful comments that actually contribute to the forums and the community as a whole. Considering all the context, as well as all of your deleted posts and the few posts that were "on the edge" of breaking TOU, as well as your previous standing within the community, a day ban would have sufficed. A three day ban is too harsh a punishment for what you've done.

Although I personally would not have banned you, Xnator was in his right to do so. However his ban was too harsh and the behaviour he's shown to you after placing the ban was nothing short of unbefitting of a staff member. I honestly believe he's representing the community in an immature way. That should not be the way how staff in this community behave.

TheXnator will be spoken to about the harshness of the ban placed as well as the behaviour he'd shown after placing the ban.

Thank you for making the report!