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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1075212

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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1075221

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Here's the real question why do you subscribe to atheism when there's no evidence available which disproves the existence of a higher being and there is no proven scientific explanation for the creation of the universe to name just one thing.

There is actually, the big bang. The only issue with the big bang is we cannot find what initially caused the big bang unless we were able to teleport to the site of the original explosion but we all know that isn't possible. Even with light speed capabilities, it would still take millions of years to reach it, unless however wormholes exist but we can't know that without manned interstellar space travel capabilities.

Oh yes! of course! A big bang boi just created a perfect universe where everything fits perfectly like a puzzle piece, and Evolution clearly created the humans where all the organs and features operate in perfect harmony! What a coincidence!

but things don't fit perfectly, we're just really really really insanely lucky as a species to evolve, and we're the only intelligent (to this level) species for fucking hundreds and millions of lightyears

Evolution is not based on luck but time. The universe it's infinite, thus possibility doesn't apply, only finite parameters.

Anyway for the theism and atheism part, it's useless to argue on it, both are beliefs and until proven in a non biased way by our senses to the whole population, both might and might not exist, you know? We can't determine something we can't observe so we just make our own interpretations.

Firstly it is physically impossible for the universe to be infinite since if the universe was infinite that would imply infinite energy which would mean infinite energy everywhere and ultimely instant self destruction of everything in the universe as well as the destruction of the universe itself. So that’s just not a thing pretty much.

Secondly while it is useless to have heated arguments which don’t progress in any way, an intellectual discussion in which logical points are made for both sides and acceptance of valid points is present is, in my opinion, the best way to educate yourself on a matter which is so complex and philosophical.

The most ironic thing for me is that many atheists claim to be intelligent, logical people who refuse to respect anything but science with many of them idolising the greats such as Isaac Newton, Einstein etc.

The issue with this however is that they forget that the majority of modern and historical scientists (the same people they idolise) tend to have their own philosophical beliefs and in some cases even religious beliefs which they subscribe to. Thus to only accept the scientific aspects of their work and to ignore the philosophical aspects is ignorance at its finest.

A perfect example of this was Isaac Newton, many atheists will proudly exclaim that he was one of the best physicists and one of the best mathematicians of his time (some even argue of all time) and yet they completely neglect the fact that he was both a theist and a “natural philosopher”. In fact many people subscribe to one of his more popular philosophies without even knowing it and it is especially popular within the scientific community for obvious reasons and that is “Isaac Newton’s Flaming Laser Sword”. It states that “what cannot be settled by experiment is not worth debating.”. By calling themselves atheists they are participating in the passive objection of theism yet if asked whether something that cannot be proven is worth debating they will likely say no.

I might've worded that badly, but by infinite I don't mean the space of it infinitely which will obviously cause what you said but more likely the continuous modification of our universe (law of conservation) which is considered infinite possibilites since he was talking about luck. Can we call something a discussion where both parties lack complete knowledge of? I would say it's more subjective like Protagoras said. And since you talk about Newton's Razor, which btw wasn't obviously thought by Isaac Newton, it refutes itself and not only that but experiments are not the only source of knowledge, because if we argue about something we don't have knowledge about it will end with a subjective result.

Yeah thats definitely true but humans will ultimately always put some type of subjective lens over everything they discuss since they are subjective creatures. For example the entirety of philosophy is subjective and there are those that value philosophy and those that don’t which appears to be where we differ. Also I must admit I feel like I worded myself poorly when I referred to Newton’s Razor since yes it wasn’t “created” by him as he did not actively catalog his philosophical views as such but the reason it was named after him was because he subscribed to it.

But yeah this then comes down to opinion you clearly don’t value subjective discussions whereas I do.

Philosophy is subjective.... You're kidding me

Philosophy is based on logic and reason, it's objective, just mostly controversial.

It's not completely subjective neither objective, some people can and can't agree on someone's philosophical value, for example most philosophers don't agree on sophistics views, or Democritus and Anaxagoras, and it's mostly objective when philosophy is more connected to science like today.

I strongly disagree, no philosophies are stated to be fact thus they cannot be objective. I agree that there are objective aspects to philosophies which are in place during their development but on the whole there is no philosophy that can be taken as fact since at that point it will no longer be a philosophy thus it cannot be objective.

I'm not saying philosophy is completely objective, but there are some special subjects like Plato

I think we are pretty much saying the same thing but communicating it poorly haha

we probably are
anyway @kameltin what you're thinking of is analytic philosophy which is not empirical

theres barely anything empirical in philo is there? Things dont have to be empirical to be true anyway.
Look at math. Its rationalistic all the way and yet still works, and we count it as objective.
Same with logic, and analytic philo is based on that.

thats what ive said

you said its not entirely objective. not empirical =/= not objective

dude proof read it you're getting confused

"It's not completely subjective neither objective, some people can and can't agree on someone's philosophical value, for example most philosophers don't agree on sophistics views, or Democritus and Anaxagoras, and it's mostly objective when philosophy is more connected to science like today."

"not completely subjective neither objective"

exactly, you say thought I said it was completely subjective

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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1075224

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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1075226

I am a devoted Muslim So here is my view: Allah decides on your fate with the information he knows as he is omniscient and also he is told by your guardians that have been sitting on your shoulders from the minute you were born to the minute you die.From this he sends you to either Jannah (Heaven) or Jahannam (Hell).	JakeTheDog_ Offline Gold Boarder Silent March till the end Posts: 2225 Thanks received: 308 Karma: -14
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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1075227

Please keep it on the topic! Personally I would consider myself an atheist. I do not believe in any kind of religion. I do not know what will happen, and I try not to think about it. But if I were to believe in anything it would be what Patrick said Patrick TM wrote: I believe you die, and thats it. Your brain shuts down and your mind and your soul aswell.	Wolfi Offline Legendary Member Future Owner and Manager of Murder Posts: 8738 Thanks received: 2707 Karma: 52
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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1075281

First of all, i am not a believer.
So for me God is just another reason for churches to ask for money(At least in my country.)
So in my opinion there is no Heaven or Hell.
Because of that, i think it's 2 options.
1. When we die it's only emptiness(some void, or complete darkness,)
2. We reborn(or like reincarnation) in other bodies(after some time) without any memories of past life.(It's like if we had some kind of living energy inside(soul if you want) that would transfer in a new born baby)

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Here's the real question why do you subscribe to atheism when there's no evidence available which disproves the existence of a higher being and there is no proven scientific explanation for the creation of the universe to name just one thing.

There is actually, the big bang. The only issue with the big bang is we cannot find what initially caused the big bang unless we were able to teleport to the site of the original explosion but we all know that isn't possible. Even with light speed capabilities, it would still take millions of years to reach it, unless however wormholes exist but we can't know that without manned interstellar space travel capabilities.

Oh yes! of course! A big bang boi just created a perfect universe where everything fits perfectly like a puzzle piece, and Evolution clearly created the humans where all the organs and features operate in perfect harmony! What a coincidence!

but things don't fit perfectly, we're just really really really insanely lucky as a species to evolve, and we're the only intelligent (to this level) species for fucking hundreds of millions of lightyears

What gives you the idea that we've existed for that long? The only thing that you can be sure of is the current moment we live in. A basic example would be following: If you decide to play a medieval game then that's the timeline you decide to be in. You can then assume things such as history and how it it all works through science by examining the surroundings but there is no definitive towards what actually has happened as it's all subjective.

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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1077013

If God existed since the start of time, one may ask as time is relative, surely it must've has a start (quantum physics explains this). But as God has always been there since the start of time? This doesn't make sense since how could something exist at the start of time but not have anything to create it. Aquinas tries to sum this up with the concept of an unmoved mover (cosmological argument?) but does not state how it actually got in to existence rather than explaining how he just stated that it always had been there. I personally believe that God always was and always will be a concept used to explain to people how things came in to existence. I believe and that the western world (especially) created the concept of God to help decrease and put a blame on suffering which exists in everyday life. Why are some people murderous, God made them. How can I fix my life, praying to God will fix it. How can I put my self at ease? Simple just blame something with created the universe and hope that my matters go away. For example, heaven was created to help people get over the concept of death but in reality I believe that we die and become part of nature again. And again, we are all part of nature anyway, humans are not disculuded. Instead of focusing on something that no one has evidence which may exist, I believe that we should all focus on our own lives and cut out suffering, love one another and become at one with nature. Then when death is eminent, it won't seem as bad as it really is. That's how I view the afterlife Thanksgiving.

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If God existed since the start of time, one may ask as time is relative, surely it must've has a start (quantum physics explains this). But as God has always been there since the start of time? This doesn't make sense since how could something exist at the start of time but not have anything to create it. Aquinas tries to sum this up with the concept of an unmoved mover (cosmological argument?) but does not state how it actually got in to existence rather than explaining how he just stated that it always had been there. I personally believe that God always was and always will be a concept used to explain to people how things came in to existence. I believe and that the western world (especially) created the concept of God to help decrease and put a blame on suffering which exists in everyday life. Why are some people murderous, God made them. How can I fix my life, praying to God will fix it. How can I put my self at ease? Simple just blame something with created the universe and hope that my matters go away. For example, heaven was created to help people get over the concept of death but in reality I believe that we die and become part of nature again. And again, we are all part of nature anyway, humans are not disculuded. Instead of focusing on something that no one has evidence which may exist, I believe that we should all focus on our own lives and cut out suffering, love one another and become at one with nature. Then when death is eminent, it won't seem as bad as it really is. That's how I view the afterlife Thanksgiving.

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Open discussion on what happens after death 5 years 10 months ago #1077022

Basically all the concepts where ever they may be. Being a Buddhist and not following a religion so the way to go.	banksye Offline Junior Boarder A big time raver Posts: 133 Thanks received: 78 Karma: 44
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