TOPIC: About stricter rules on racism & discrimination.

Nick0GR wrote: I'm merely saying that the rhetoric of "Deal with it or get out" is kind of retarded, as it disallows for any meaningful discussion from either side. Say whatever you want, an argument as to why racial slurs should be allowed to some extent can definitely be made, or even better, the argument that we should ban everyone the moment they use the word regardless of the content being flawed in and of itself is definitely a proper discussion that we can have right here on the forums. Saying "Live with it or get out" doesn't allow for such a discussion and immediately makes any and all possible critique invalid. It also basically means you've already lost the discussion because you refuse to have one in the first place.

wtf

still not banned

Gurren Lagan wrote:
I’m glad someone took my post and it’s arguments from page 2 into account.

I’ve already said plenty of times; I am absolutely okay with banning people for intentionally berating other people using racist words.

What I am not okay with is people such as yourself clearly, who will do anything to please higher ups, no matter how stupid it is. For example; banning a player who is having a bit of banter between him and a friend who he knows is okay with being called a crippled fucker. Just because that word affects your grandma’s friend’s sisters’s dad’s dog, who lost both his back legs to an IED.

Dramn, who I think is one of the greater admins, clearly stated earlier that context is everything and judging by that she will continue to punish players the way she used to.

Just to remind you I am absolutely in for banning players who try to discriminate and belittle others, what I am not okay with is the staff blaitently ignoring context just to try and get that rush of adrenaline they seem to get the second they see and click the ban button.

Context in these situations is what should decide the punishment and nothing else.

I also agree that words use in a public channel, for example OOC on SSRP shouldn’t be used to say such words to even friends who are okay with it, it should stay in personal messages and anywhere only the group of players who are okay with it can see it, what you can’t see won’t hurt you.

Bezzy wrote:
Oh my problem with you TTT people?

You’re all muppets who won’t try and stand on your own two feet for even a minute and then when you do you make the stupidest kf decisions such as ban me multiple times for the name “Mass Genocide Needed”, then after I clear up how it isn’t racist you guys manage to spin up another stupid story of how I or others are just joining to be racist.

So to answer your trash demands; no, I will not stop shitting on the TTT staff.

There is so much shity drama on this thread. Is it actualy that hard to not be racist or use racist/discriminative slures?

If the community team really wants to do shit about harassment throughout the community, maybe you can start by taking action and deal with the 5 odd users I reported to Tyler/Chute on multiple occasions instead of making post after post when nothing really won't be done about it.

SkeletonWarrior wrote:
IS it really that hard to come up with valid counter arguments to the so far very extensive ones that make sense? Sorry can you not use the word shit by the way? My Nana’s asshole got super glued together and since then she’s never been able to shit.

Nafe wrote: Sorry about your Nana. Why don't you give me 1 reason why we should accept any harassment and discrimination. It is a disgusting un-human thing to discriminate and harass people because of there racial background. Most kids who use racial slurs over the internet don't even know what half of the words mean and use it against others. You put down a sign spammed with the common racist slur, why should we tolerate it?

SkeletonWarrior wrote:
FUCK I hate arguing with brick walls, I DON’T AGREE WITH TARGETED RACISM EITHER BUT YOU GUYS DON’T LISTEN LOL

Also even you know that sign shit was an accident don’t even try that shit with me, I told you exactly what happened and you acknowledged it and banned me anyway.

What I want is for you to tell me why I can’t talk to my friends as I normally would in a private environment without you coming in and being offended on their behalf, the difference between targetted racism and saying one word to a friend who is okay with it is so huge it’s insane.

i wont last more than 2 minutes on the server with these new rules

Nafe wrote: You're "provoking" racist terms using the zarp servers that is the problem. We don't want people to use Zarp to share their racist and discriminative opinions and ideologies, go do that somewhere else.

SkeletonWarrior wrote: I don't see how you can provoke anything in a private chat. I'm not saying you're wrong for banning people for using the word on the server, but I find it a bit retarded to go out of your way to ban people for using it in private situations. Why don't you show a bit of consideration for the users except to ban them when they've literally done nothing wrong?

Raeker wrote: Could you expand the bit where you say " they've literally done nothing wrong?".

SkeletonWarrior wrote: No users have been harmed and nobody has been "provoked" to say the nword considering the fact that it is practically always done in an enviroment where everybody says it anyways. I'm not saying people should just use the word in private chats on the server and that it should be allowed (it really shouldn't) but banning them for it only makes you look like an absolute dick that loves to use his powers because it makes him feel special, something that you have only proven time and time again.

Raeker wrote: I really don't know why the only thing everyone has to back up their argument is by targeting me with it but ok. So I'm an absolute dick by enforcing server rules and policies? Fumy fact is that I only banned Nafe for 16hours I think but Clarky instantly rebanned him for 1day, yet you still don't criticise his actions and use of powers. So I'm proving you time to time that I'm a "dick that loves to use his powers because it makes him feel special" because I follow the guidelines provided by the Higher up lead team? I believed in something called context until I got accused of "being racist" by a Head Admin. I'm pretty sure the rules clearly state "any form" of discrimination, private messages is a form of it. If you pm someone saying "x is such a F****t" your still discriminating, even tho the other person didn't take offence in it. What you arguing against is so stupid. Easy solution for the problem: don't say racist stuff.

Blocked wrote: Thanks for the advise Blocked, I will keep it in mind

snowflakes - 1
users - 0

we need to come up with a plan to get them back

While I may personally somewhat disagree with parts of this it has to be said that it's good to see the lead team sticking by their decision.

To be honest the best thing about all this drama is the people crying about not being able to call each other retarded or the like.

Does this mean the CMs and LT have to stop calling each other fa**ots and shit in spacers since, you know, the rules apply to everyone? Or is it going to be the continuation of a sarcastic joking voice saying "Oh you can't say that!" then possibly moving them out once to mess with them??