TOPIC: Either it's all allowed, or none of it is

There was a lot of complaints about the changes to the racism rule in terms of punishment. I agree with a harsher punishment for people being discriminatory to other groups of people as it can lead to bullying, harassment, and other issues. However, in terms of "discrimination", racism is just a drop of water in the ocean for what that is. If we're going to be this harsh for someone using a word like the n-word, where is the punishment for people using the word F*ggot, and other discriminate terminology on ZARP Servers? I was on S1 the other day and people were using the word constantly in OOC and even having it in their names, and it was only ever dealt with when someone complained about it but I know full well if someone said the n-word there would be a server full of staff waiting to pile on a punishment for that.

Just my thoughts, interested to see what some people think about this.

Exactly, This is why so many people are complaining about it

When talking about this rule, it has been brought up multiple times to the LT and the CM team that it should be an all or nothing. We try and treat every situation the same, but more concern is placed towards the n word due to the amount that people have been using it.

If what you're saying is true about the word f*ggot becoming the new n-word then it will be dealt with.

There is no room for discrimination on ZARP as stated in the rules. We're just getting through a transitional period of "what is okay" and " what is not okay" so it will take some time for everyone to be on the same page for these punishments and new rules.

All we can ask for is patience with our staff team, we're doing our best to make ZARP a better place and enjoyable for everyone.

Spooky.

i'd say just keep n word a warn not 1 fucking day ban like legit

TrueOverL wrote:
0 Tolerance. It's also up to the staff member if they want to warn first or not. That goes for any discrimination. Once things calm down and people aren't so forward with that word, punishments won't have to always be a 1 day ban. Staff will probably do a lot more warning. But since we're still in that transition phase of "what should i do" its just a ban for most people.

i think you should be more concerned about people who are using offensive language to bully and harrass people.

if its not targetted at anyone then there should be no need to censor peoples language.

Mr Rehkab wrote:
I would tell you to go into a city in the US and say the nword just to see what happens, but I don't wish harm upon you. It's a seriously offensive word, and people take it seriously.

snowi wrote:
We also talked about this, "if it wasn't meant for harassment could it be okay?"

Nope, it's 0 tolerance.

Mr Rehkab wrote:
Go into any city anywhere where there are black people, and I dare you to call them the n-word. Do it. It's an offensive term, why can you not understand that?

Mr Rehkab wrote:
Yet the man who proposed the racism rule is from UK..

hi it's me Nigel, world renown racist because of my name.

Mr Rehkab wrote: Sure let's let complete idiots that'd rather harass an entire race and culture vote on whether or not harassment and discrimination is allowed, that sounds like a great idea.

Regardless of what you think of the word, it is not allowed within this community and that is final. I believe this should count for all offensive terms. "Retarded", "faggot" and similar terms should all be disallowed within the community. I find the fact that staff members consider certain words offensive and other, also offensive terms not to just be ridiculous.

Users should always be given a chance, though. I disagree with zero tolerance policies on practically everything - users should always get a chance to prove that they're not complete assholes. In my opinion a warning or two is more than enough before a ban should be placed.

I agree completely with this, and I think it needs to be made clear. People think racism is a lot worse than any other form of discrimination, but discrimination is discrimination, no matter what form. And certain types of discrimination should not be punished differently than others

VeGoVeVO wrote:
My guy Tadgee

Would appreciate if it was "zero tolerance" for everyone, there's a double standard where someone can call someone else a "tranny" and they get demoted while another person loopholes the n-word and they are let off with a verbal (staff members), whereas if I user loopholed the n-word they'd get a ban.

spiderman_ wrote: So you want staff to get banned?

VeGoVeVO wrote:
that's why we love Tadgee

TheCorgi wrote:
But how am I supposed to call you a fag if I'm not allowed to?

There is a fine line between what can be considered discriminatory and what cannot. There is a reason that the n-word is used as a greeting in parts of American culture, and it is not because it is discriminatory. The usage in that context is not racist, not because it is primarily used by african-americans, but because there is no underlying hostility or disparagement. People take offence at the usage of the word when it does not come from a place of endearment or kindness.
Words do not have power, our actions and behaviors do. It is the associated feelings that offend and upset people. As such, when used without the intention to belittle or offend, these words cannot be considered offensive. As you know Collin and I greet each other by calling each other fags almost universally, and we clearly are not offended by it.
These words gain the meaning we give them, and should not be banned because of misuse; rather, a focus on punishing the disrespect of other community members would be a far more prudent move.
The problem lies not in racism, or homophobia, or antisemitism, but in the way they are used to disrespect and hurt others.
The answer lies in the intent, not the tool.