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Either it's all allowed, or none of it is 7 years 2 weeks ago #896325

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Tony Lombardi wrote:

TheCorgi wrote:

When talking about this rule, it has been brought up multiple times to the LT and the CM team that it should be an all or nothing. We try and treat every situation the same, but more concern is placed towards the n word due to the amount that people have been using it.

If what you're saying is true about the word f*ggot becoming the new n-word then it will be dealt with.

There is no room for discrimination on ZARP as stated in the rules. We're just getting through a transitional period of "what is okay" and " what is not okay" so it will take some time for everyone to be on the same page for these punishments and new rules.

All we can ask for is patience with our staff team, we're doing our best to make ZARP a better place and enjoyable for everyone.

But how am I supposed to call you a fag if I'm not allowed to?

There is a fine line between what can be considered discriminatory and what cannot. There is a reason that the n-word is used as a greeting in parts of American culture, and it is not because it is discriminatory. The usage in that context is not racist, not because it is primarily used by african-americans, but because there is no underlying hostility or disparagement. People take offence at the usage of the word when it does not come from a place of endearment or kindness.
Words do not have power, our actions and behaviors do. It is the associated feelings that offend and upset people. As such, when used without the intention to belittle or offend, these words cannot be considered offensive. As you know Collin and I greet each other by calling each other fags almost universally, and we clearly are not offended by it.
These words gain the meaning we give them, and should not be banned because of misuse; rather, a focus on punishing the disrespect of other community members would be a far more prudent move.
The problem lies not in racism, or homophobia, or antisemitism, but in the way they are used to disrespect and hurt others.
The answer lies in the intent, not the tool.

Who wrote this for Tony? The Tony I know scream sings on TS and freaks out constantly.

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Either it's all allowed, or none of it is 7 years 2 weeks ago #896333

Tony Lombardi wrote:

TheCorgi wrote:

When talking about this rule, it has been brought up multiple times to the LT and the CM team that it should be an all or nothing. We try and treat every situation the same, but more concern is placed towards the n word due to the amount that people have been using it.

If what you're saying is true about the word f*ggot becoming the new n-word then it will be dealt with.

There is no room for discrimination on ZARP as stated in the rules. We're just getting through a transitional period of "what is okay" and " what is not okay" so it will take some time for everyone to be on the same page for these punishments and new rules.

All we can ask for is patience with our staff team, we're doing our best to make ZARP a better place and enjoyable for everyone.

But how am I supposed to call you a fag if I'm not allowed to?

There is a fine line between what can be considered discriminatory and what cannot. There is a reason that the n-word is used as a greeting in parts of American culture, and it is not because it is discriminatory. The usage in that context is not racist, not because it is primarily used by african-americans, but because there is no underlying hostility or disparagement. People take offence at the usage of the word when it does not come from a place of endearment or kindness.
Words do not have power, our actions and behaviors do. It is the associated feelings that offend and upset people. As such, when used without the intention to belittle or offend, these words cannot be considered offensive. As you know Collin and I greet each other by calling each other fags almost universally, and we clearly are not offended by it.
These words gain the meaning we give them, and should not be banned because of misuse; rather, a focus on punishing the disrespect of other community members would be a far more prudent move.
The problem lies not in racism, or homophobia, or antisemitism, but in the way they are used to disrespect and hurt others.
The answer lies in the intent, not the tool.

I fucking love you man Jesus

This is someone who actually knows what he is talking about and articulated it way better than I could've, I was about to post the same thing but I'm happy he did it in my place as he explained it in such a calm and we'll articulated manner.

Just for the sake of reiteration I'll say it again that words themselves cannot be racist, homophobic, transphobic etc. Even the n word with a hard ending BY ITSELF is not racist, think about it for a second, Micky is black, I myself am Muslim and of Turkish descent yet neither of us are offended when someone when says the n word or calls all Muslims terrorists as Tadgee did and the reason for that is we know the difference between someone saying it as a shock factor style comedic gag and someone who really means it and genuinely believes in what he is saying, in fact I doubt there are any racial minorities in the community who are actually offended by people jokingly being racist and if they are then they are simply being offended for the sake of it.

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Either it's all allowed, or none of it is 7 years 2 weeks ago #896347

I brought this up forever ago and nothing was done about it.	Sora- Offline Legendary Member Capsule Corp. Posts: 757 Thanks received: 626 Karma: 12
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Either it's all allowed, or none of it is 7 years 2 weeks ago #896348

_Eddie_ wrote:

spiderman_ wrote:

Would appreciate if it was "zero tolerance" for everyone, there's a double standard where someone can call someone else a "tranny" and they get demoted while another person loopholes the n-word and they are let off with a verbal (staff members), whereas if I user loopholed the n-word they'd get a ban.

So you want staff to get banned?

If it is 0 tolerance, a demotion should be in order.

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Either it's all allowed, or none of it is 7 years 2 weeks ago #896374

474 Denis wrote:

Tony Lombardi wrote:

TheCorgi wrote:

When talking about this rule, it has been brought up multiple times to the LT and the CM team that it should be an all or nothing. We try and treat every situation the same, but more concern is placed towards the n word due to the amount that people have been using it.

If what you're saying is true about the word f*ggot becoming the new n-word then it will be dealt with.

There is no room for discrimination on ZARP as stated in the rules. We're just getting through a transitional period of "what is okay" and " what is not okay" so it will take some time for everyone to be on the same page for these punishments and new rules.

All we can ask for is patience with our staff team, we're doing our best to make ZARP a better place and enjoyable for everyone.

But how am I supposed to call you a fag if I'm not allowed to?

There is a fine line between what can be considered discriminatory and what cannot. There is a reason that the n-word is used as a greeting in parts of American culture, and it is not because it is discriminatory. The usage in that context is not racist, not because it is primarily used by african-americans, but because there is no underlying hostility or disparagement. People take offence at the usage of the word when it does not come from a place of endearment or kindness.
Words do not have power, our actions and behaviors do. It is the associated feelings that offend and upset people. As such, when used without the intention to belittle or offend, these words cannot be considered offensive. As you know Collin and I greet each other by calling each other fags almost universally, and we clearly are not offended by it.
These words gain the meaning we give them, and should not be banned because of misuse; rather, a focus on punishing the disrespect of other community members would be a far more prudent move.
The problem lies not in racism, or homophobia, or antisemitism, but in the way they are used to disrespect and hurt others.
The answer lies in the intent, not the tool.

I fucking love you man Jesus

This is someone who actually knows what he is talking about and articulated it way better than I could've, I was about to post the same thing but I'm happy he did it in my place as he explained it in such a calm and we'll articulated manner.

Just for the sake of reiteration I'll say it again that words themselves cannot be racist, homophobic, transphobic etc. Even the n word with a hard ending BY ITSELF is not racist, think about it for a second, Micky is black, I myself am Muslim and of Turkish descent yet neither of us are offended when someone when says the n word or calls all Muslims terrorists as Tadgee did and the reason for that is we know the difference between someone saying it as a shock factor style comedic gag and someone who really means it and genuinely believes in what he is saying, in fact I doubt there are any racial minorities in the community who are actually offended by people jokingly being racist and if they are then they are simply being offended for the sake of it.

Having a system like this was already discussed and it was shot down quite quickly. We tried, trust me.

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Either it's all allowed, or none of it is 7 years 2 weeks ago #896379

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Either it's all allowed, or none of it is 7 years 2 weeks ago #896566

ChummyXRay wrote:

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Tony Lombardi wrote:

TheCorgi wrote:

When talking about this rule, it has been brought up multiple times to the LT and the CM team that it should be an all or nothing. We try and treat every situation the same, but more concern is placed towards the n word due to the amount that people have been using it.

If what you're saying is true about the word f*ggot becoming the new n-word then it will be dealt with.

There is no room for discrimination on ZARP as stated in the rules. We're just getting through a transitional period of "what is okay" and " what is not okay" so it will take some time for everyone to be on the same page for these punishments and new rules.

All we can ask for is patience with our staff team, we're doing our best to make ZARP a better place and enjoyable for everyone.

But how am I supposed to call you a fag if I'm not allowed to?

There is a fine line between what can be considered discriminatory and what cannot. There is a reason that the n-word is used as a greeting in parts of American culture, and it is not because it is discriminatory. The usage in that context is not racist, not because it is primarily used by african-americans, but because there is no underlying hostility or disparagement. People take offence at the usage of the word when it does not come from a place of endearment or kindness.
Words do not have power, our actions and behaviors do. It is the associated feelings that offend and upset people. As such, when used without the intention to belittle or offend, these words cannot be considered offensive. As you know Collin and I greet each other by calling each other fags almost universally, and we clearly are not offended by it.
These words gain the meaning we give them, and should not be banned because of misuse; rather, a focus on punishing the disrespect of other community members would be a far more prudent move.
The problem lies not in racism, or homophobia, or antisemitism, but in the way they are used to disrespect and hurt others.
The answer lies in the intent, not the tool.

Who wrote this for Tony? The Tony I know scream sings on TS and freaks out constantly.

I thought I told you, I'm only autistic 50% of the time