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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321973

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marx

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XxMasterxX

Punishment Reason
Exploiting

Server
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Story/Situation
So i was just bhopping around as usual and got bored so decided to have fun with the rtd. As you all know who plays deathrun there is this extremely fun variant where you get slapped into the sky real fast. So i baited some traps and specifically baited the dollar trap on poker_final so i could jump off the map onto this table (which happens to be an ending with scouts) because the tables are at lower level than anything else on the map and i wouldnt hit the roof/ hit the roof slower if i would have got slapped into the sky. At the time master was spectating and i assumed he spectated me cus well, he is staff. Well i jumped there anyway "knowing" this, threw few scouts off cus this whole grabbing props is all new to me on deathrun. Then as soon as i am starting to get speed and ready to rtd i get slayed without any verbal warning or anything.

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2.92 - Exploiting / Trap Avoiding
Exploiting unintentional map faults to benefit yourself or others is prohibited. You're allowed to use intentional map features to avoid 1 trap but avoiding 2 or more traps in a single motion/feature is not allowed.

Yes jumping onto the tables is indeed unintentional map fault, but i did not get any benefit from that to me or anyone else as i would have died anyway, i did not destoy the death side table nor dropped all the scouts off. I do not have any proof of this but you can always check the logs, i got slayed at 22:58 GMT +2. Verbal warning would have been the best solution in this case.
Appealing a single slay cus i don't want to have any recent punishments ;3

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321975

Indeed I wouldn't have cared if you had just jumped off to your death, as soon I saw you dropping all the scouts to the ground below ruining the ending for the other runners I took action. I slayed you so you couldn't throw the rest of the gun to the ground ruining the ending completely for the runners. There dropped the last scout you had on you that you would have gone out with. Giving the runner team completely no way of winning the map if they had chosen this ending. I Have gone there myself and I am very forgiving as long as people just jump down from there and die. I don't feel like a verbal could have helped me save the ending from you. So I went for the slay.

Good luck anyway.

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321976

XxmasterxX wrote:

Indeed I wouldn't have cared if you had just jumped off to your death, as soon I saw you dropping all the scouts to the ground below ruining the ending for the other runners I took action. I slayed you so you couldn't throw the rest of the gun to the ground ruining the ending completely for the runners. There dropped the last scout you had on you that you would have gone out with. Giving the runner team completely no way of winning the map if they had chosen this ending. I Have gone there myself and I am very forgiving as long as people just jump down from there and die. I don't feel like a verbal could have helped me save the ending from you. So I went for the slay.

Good luck anyway.

I feel like a former head admin should know better so I definitely understand Masters reasoning behind this, a verbal could've been given I suppose but I'd say the punishment is valid.

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321978

A slay is the only correct punishment here. An fspec shouldn't be used to slay someone and the verbal would have been to late as you had already dropped the scouts. Perhaps if he should have verbaled you before you got there but that didn't happen so there was no other alternative in my opinion.	PZGrens Offline Expert Boarder You the shit to me Posts: 833 Thanks received: 548 Karma: -30
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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321979

Thats more reasons why verbal would have in place there, i had the last scout with me so master slaying me risked all the scouts being dropped off the table. If he had verbally warned me as soon as he saw me going there he wouldn't have to have feared me ruining the ending and if i wouldn't have stopped there he could have taken action sooner. He knew beforehand that i should know what i am doing thus he should verbally warn as soon as he sees me going up there. This all seems to me that he just waited long enough so the slay would be valid but since he slayed me after dropping the last scout he himself risked the scouts by slaying me which could drop the last weapon i had on me out of the table. And besides if all the scouts are dropped the death side table can be breaken and this way dropping scouts doesnt give benefit to death side. Thus it doesn't seem to be exploit at all because no matter what, if you pick that ending deaths lose unless runners jump off the table which is suicidal.

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321982

PZGrens wrote:

A slay is the only correct punishment here. An fspec shouldn't be used to slay someone and the verbal would have been to late as you had already dropped the scouts. Perhaps if he should have verbaled you before you got there but that didn't happen so there was no other alternative in my opinion.

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He was spectating the whole time, just waited long enough to see what i am doing. Like i said, verbal warning would have been the right course of action ever since he saw me going there

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321984

L3mon wrote:

PZGrens wrote:

A slay is the only correct punishment here. An fspec shouldn't be used to slay someone and the verbal would have been to late as you had already dropped the scouts. Perhaps if he should have verbaled you before you got there but that didn't happen so there was no other alternative in my opinion.

:minussp:

He was spectating the whole time, just waited long enough to see what i am doing. Like i said, verbal warning would have been the right course of action ever since he saw me going there

He doesn't have to verbal you before you rule break and he didn't. Because he didn't he had to slay you.

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321990

PZGrens wrote:

L3mon wrote:

PZGrens wrote:

A slay is the only correct punishment here. An fspec shouldn't be used to slay someone and the verbal would have been to late as you had already dropped the scouts. Perhaps if he should have verbaled you before you got there but that didn't happen so there was no other alternative in my opinion.

:minussp:

He was spectating the whole time, just waited long enough to see what i am doing. Like i said, verbal warning would have been the right course of action ever since he saw me going there

He doesn't have to verbal you before you rule break and he didn't. Because he didn't he had to slay you.

Now this is interesting, at what part it begun to be a rule break? When i jump off the map? Picking up weapons? At any point, my course of action did not benefit either of the teams.

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321992

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Like I stated I couldn't have cared less if you jumped to the table there is no reason to go there and no harm in it if you jump off before runners complete the map so you don't skip the map. Ruining the ending was rule break. giving the deaths advantage of living since the runners couldn't have picked up any weapons and kill the deaths since you dropped them all to the ground below.

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321993

A verbal was definitely possible but this isn't invalid at all, you were indeed exploiting and I would've done the exact same thing	Vodka4Gaben Offline Diamond Boarder LeBron "King" James Posts: 3106 Thanks received: 1516 Karma: -83
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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1321994

XxmasterxX wrote:

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Like I stated I couldn't have cared less if you jumped to the table there is no reason to go there and no harm in it if you jump off before runners complete the map so you don't skip the map. Ruining the ending was rule break. giving the deaths advantage of living since the runners couldn't have picked up any weapons and kill the deaths since you dropped them all to the ground below.

I had the last scout with me, nobody can know if i was gonna drop it there or not. But map knowledge is all, the deaths table is breakable, runner side not. No matter the situation runner side wins as long as they dont suicide. Like i said, my course of action did not benefit either teams thus not exploit

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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1322007

PZGrens wrote: A slay is the only correct punishment here. An fspec shouldn't be used to slay someone and the verbal would have been to late as you had already dropped the scouts. Perhaps if he should have verbaled you before you got there but that didn't happen so there was no other alternative in my opinion. so dumb	Kaiwaii Offline Gold Boarder Naruto > Posts: 1798 Thanks received: 2160 Karma: 26
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[Deathrun] marx's Punishment Appeal 3 years 8 months ago #1322016

Hi L3mon, after reviewing your appeal and talking with XxmasterxX, I am deciding to deny this. The reasons being that you decided to start throwing the ending scout weapons off the table. If you were only walking, running or jumping it may have been simple verbal from master, or I'd be accepting the appeal if he still slayed you. But master began spectating and wanted to act quickly. I understand it does not gain any benefit for you particularly, or the runner team. But what you did do was take guns away so only one person had the chance of killing the death with the only weapon, and gaining the kill XP. This is indeed unfair to other players due to your actions.

In future just don't skip to endings or out the map, it makes it easier and causes less drama.