TOPIC: Server 2 Map Poll

Morgan wrote:
Well considering we had a s2 way before rockford, and it's had maps like evilmelon which is about the same size as downtown, I wouldn't call it a founding principle.
Yoda wrote:
If it can fill 90 people and bases will still be empty, then imagine how little interaction between players there will be with just 30-40

You can't use "looks realistic" as an argument. The engine it's running in is over 10 years old so nothing will ever "look realistic"

Para said something about the RP of travel time... Well who actually wants that? There's fun RP and then there's big map so people have to run a marathon to find your base so you can AFK print all day RP.
ParaMontana wrote:
The first point is so stupid it doesn't warrant a response.

Many people who play gmod have sub par PCs, hence why they aren't playing better games for RP such as arma.

Until it gets stolen and scrapped and you're left stranded and 10k out of pocket and don't know where to go.

It's perfect for your selfish AFK basing needs, that's for sure, but not for the rest of the players on S2.

Dankness 1337

Exrobite42 wrote:
They want as little interaction as possible so they can print

EMP wrote:
I dno maybe because you're the developer and whether you get paid or not or whether you are busy, As said before being the developer gives you some responsibilities, So why add it to the options if you have no intention of fixing it?
Especially if the community votes that they want it.

Rockford
The thing with Rockford, it's basically the only reason Server 2 became more popular it's the reason the economy went up so much. Once the Black Diamonds came out people just hid the printers in spots on the map and made money, I was here when the map was added, it was so fun for the first 3 weeks and then people just AFK printed all day. ( I know I sound hypocritical here as I am a victim of just AFK printing on this map as it is the only reason I started playing server 2 to gain an advantage in the economy so I can be rich. The map can effect Economy, server popularity, reasoning for playing and liking of the map in general including problems with bugs. Rockford is just to big in my opinion and can only be fun when huge crowds of people base or the joy of raiding and printing while making shit loads of money with little to no effort at all.

Evocity
Evocity is one of the most used maps in existence for the DarkRP gamemode, I feel we would have the same problem as Rockford, it is obviously going to have way to many bugs as it's such a big map, it will affect the popularity of the server as the Server 2 popularity will go up if people need to make money just by hiding or printing in a low key area of the map.

Evilmelon
Evilmelon is a fun map with little to no bugs, the map was a very good one for the server at the time and it made Server 2's popularity rise and attracted many people from Server 1 to play on Server 2. There is a few things about this map, basically it's used on almost every server just like Evocity and Downtown, but that shouldn't really affect the positives of this map such as there is a lot of potential for great base designs and making it a good map for raiding and tactical game play when raiding or defending and can serve a lot of purpose.

Block 42
Block 42 is a small/medium size map and has previously been used. It was swapped because of it becoming a map that had got boring for the community. I think that if we swapped the map there is potential for the same process to occur.

Server 2 Popularity Changes (Map based)
Rockford
If the map is kept at Rockford the Server 2 popularity will most likely stay where it is at until the community gets to the point of high level boredom and stops playing. If a player is looking to make money this is the reason to play on this map besides long range gameplay.
Evocity
Same as Rockford if the map is swapped there is a risk of players losing interest after a while or gaining interest, as this map hasn't been chosen for zarp yet it is hard to tell due to the unique gameplay and features of Zarps SSRP.
Evilmelon
The server 2 popularity is most likely to stay average, lower or even increase. It could stay as it is due to the map having a good interest for raiding, tactical gameplay and just overall classic fun, it can lower as the map at one point was asked to be changed multiple times due to a lot of people getting bored, it can increase because a lot of older players within the community generally enjoyed it but at the same time it got boring after a few hours of playing (maybe less)
Block42
The Server 2 popularity will most likely rise as majority of the community enjoyed the map back when it was here and for the people that weren't here when it was placed would have curiosity of the map and try it out by playing. The problem is after a while the server popularity could decrease do to boredom like the last time we had it here.

Economy wise
Rockford
The economy of overall SSRP will tend to keep rising due to effortless printing drug making etc. If we keep this map the economy will rise so much that people on the server will be able to afford so much in weeks time, after a while and having the privilege of having almost everything on the server and nothing else to accomplish people will tend to get bored and maybe quit playing or not play very often or as much.

Evocity
The same as Rockford but depending on knowledge of the map where people hide printers or common basing spots and faster ways to get places, it is unknown of what might happen, if it is easy to raid people the economy can rise/drop to normal levels due to people gaining money and losing money during raids, if the map tends to be to big and it's to much effort to raid people will tend to just afk print and gain loads of cash like Rockford, there is a lot of factors for this map due to it never previously being on one of the servers.

Evilmelon
The economy will most likely drop to the normal level of what it was before Rockford was here, as it is easy to find a base and raid it, it is also easy to hide printers and defend as the tactical game play and sniping/guard spots on this map are fun and reliable who knows what might happen as there is a lot of potential for the economy to rise, drop, or stay the way it is on this map due to us having server 1 at the same time.

Block42
The economy is most likely to have the same effect as evilmelon due to there being lots of places you can secretly guard from and base designs will be unique and can have potential for guarding, raiding etc. There is a wide range of possible occurrences for this map and I think it could have potential for the economy.

Hahahha i love how the strongest thing they have against me is that i only want big maps because of printing . Even though after the summer update i stopped rping . Because i wanted to do admin stuff only . I only recently started rping again. But hey rockford will win anyways.

ParaMontana wrote:
Do me a favour.

Go away.

Learn that this isn't about you.

Learn how to argue

Come back

Actually contribute to this thread.

Thanks.

ParaMontana wrote:
We know rockford will win, because they can't be assed to fix what the majority wants, so they'll just leave it broken 'till they get the chance to change it to Rockford.
There is literally 0 purpose in this vote whatsoever

We've choosen something broken before (cough rockford) and it was fixed.

In my opinion ZARP desperately needs to return to somewhat an older version of itself. A lot of us, such as me, Exrobite, fennster and others loved the old zarp, and it's special weapons, which were milkors, rpgs, matadors, m202s and orbitals. This made basing fun, and made raiding fun, which I think since Rockford was the server 2 map, the amount of role play has gone to shit because of these bases that lag the server, and it's simply because people have gotten used to no rp and only care about their money.

I'd love to see Bloc42 or Evilmelon really, yes you can say Bloc42 is buggy, but it is in the vote, and if it wins it should be changed, regardless of the prop issues, this can be fixed by our developers like we've seen them fix things before.

Perhaps people just want a big map because they like the scenery and looks of the map, who just happen to print more than others?

Fizzay wrote:
Our developers are not gonna fix the map . they gave the opportunity to let some one in the community fix it. as stated in earlier posts.

the only time i would ever go with bloc 42 is if we did not have them explosives like we have now. i think the rp in rockford was not ruined by the big bases more by the new special weapons. which have us make big bases. When rockford first came out i used a 1 man base everything was fine. when the hand cannon came out im forced to build big bases in order to even stand a chance to the raid parties.

If you blame the map on the current situation we in then you got it wrong.

This is a map vote so we gotta choose something that fits our current system. and the curren system does not support bloc 42.


Here are some more pics of the map.

ParaMontana wrote: What ruined the RP on Rockford is how far apart everyone is and no one coming out of their bases and just being AFK.

ToXIc Gaming wrote:
Is this your own opinion or are you going blindly with what others say because as far i know you have not really been around

www.gametracker.com/player/ToXIc%20Gamin...arpgaming.com:27025/
www.gametracker.com/player/ToXIc%20Gamin...arpgaming.com:27015/

IF people go afk in their base why are they constantly raiding bases and having people fight back. thats some serious rp going on then. imo . but hey thats just my OPINION

ParaMontana wrote:
Belittling his opinion does not make you more correct.

If you think basing and raiding is RP you're better off on a gang wars server mate.

Exrobite42 wrote:
raiding and basing plays a very big role in our servers if you haven't noticed yet BOTH OF THEM

ParaMontana wrote:
Your bleak attempts at "banter" are not working.

And while raiding and basing is a key part of a darkRP server, many other elements should feature, that are not nutured by the Rockford environment.

Exrobite42 wrote:
im no longer bantering around other wise i would put it in a spoiler lad.

The other rp elements as you call it are always there exrobite you just gotta make it work. Just because you failed at that does not mean others did .

ParaMontana wrote: Again your implications are false and your attempts to undermine people's reputation is pathetic. While it's true that the other RP elements are available, but they are not suitable for the map.

Exrobite42 wrote:
LuuuL someone is super serious today... No bants in the pants today I guess.

ParaMontana wrote:
It is my own opinion and just because I haven't been on a lot recently doesn't change what I remember it like and I have been on a little bit recently(maybe gametracker didn't track it, It's not exactly the most reliable source.) and it was no different, AFK printing on S2 as normal.

Also as others have said RP isn't just base and raid, Its a big part but not the only part.