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TOPIC: Gun Balance Patch - Feedback
Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969089
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Miia wrote:
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Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969097
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Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969098
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Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any things that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. So wrong on so many levels |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969099
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Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969101
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Miia wrote:
The tec 9 is interesting because at the moment it falls into a similar situation as the contender. While one is a very close range weapon and the other is long range they both suffer from the same problem, why would a chose a secondary over a primary weapon as my only unlock. These are both now niche weapons that can only be used in certain situations as they are secondary weapons, a secondary weapon does not need enough ammo that it can kill around 12 people without having to reload, that is ridiculous. The tec is still the same tec, it will delete anyone you shoot at but you can't kill more then 2 people at a time, the only reason it was used before was because it had so much ammo it could be a primary weapon, right now as it has situational use other primary unlocks are better, not because the tec is bad but because you can get more use out of a primary. If any change were to bring the tec back and not make it stupidly op it would have to be allowing players to equip both a primary unlock and a secondary, which i would be in favour of. Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
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MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969102
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Yung Henny wrote:
Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right place Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969103
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MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Yung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place? Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969106
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I have a suggestion remove some guns it would make this easier for example you could take out the colt puthon as the dealge is very similar there is off the top of my head 5+ asoilt rifles including unlocks if you cut that down you would make life especial easer for you 2 as they are similar like the AK 47 and the other won the drops on the ground which name escapes me.
It’s less things to worry about and that small area were every thing is just right and balanced is easer to find with the less things your trying to change |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969108
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Yung Henny wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and Miia Yung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969110
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MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
I have a suggestion remove some guns it would make this easier for example you could take out the colt puthon as the dealge is very similar there is off the top of my head 5+ asoilt rifles including unlocks if you cut that down you would make life especial easer for you 2 as they are similar like the AK 47 and the other won the drops on the ground which name escapes me. If you read the change logs you would know that in the latest balance fix the deagle and python were both changed to be different, the deagle is now slower and more accurate whereas the pythin has less accuracy but a much higher fire rate. Same with the HK 416 and AK, while similar they do still share different stats in different areas. Also this is not really a reason to remove content while similar yes they are still different, however because they are so similar it makes them easier to balance so that is not an issue. It’s less things to worry about and that small area were every thing is just right and balanced is easer to find with the less things your trying to change |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969111
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MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Yung Henny wrote:
I agree it was OP, and that it needed to be nerfed. But it was nerfed too hard. A lot of people seem to forget that this is TTT Gmod, not a competitive shooter. MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and MiiaYung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969114
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Yung Henny wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As i said the best possible change for the tec would be the ability to have both a primary and secondary unlock equipped. It is still a tec 9 and it does what it did before the patch, delete anyone you shoot but with secondaries being a sub-optimal choice of unlock despite being very good at what it does what it does is not worth the unlock slot. Yung Henny wrote:
I agree it was OP, and that it needed to be nerfed. But it was nerfed too hard. A lot of people seem to forget that this is TTT Gmod, not a competitive shooter.MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and MiiaYung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969115
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Yung Henny wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
This is so true Yung Henny wrote:
I agree it was OP, and that it needed to be nerfed. But it was nerfed too hard. A lot of people seem to forget that this is TTT Gmod, not a competitive shooter.MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and MiiaYung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969120
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Miia wrote:
Yung Henny wrote:
Me segeshtion for the tec 9 is that it goes to primary and a medium increase to rate of fire but the bullits do bit little less damage MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As i said the best possible change for the tec would be the ability to have both a primary and secondary unlock equipped. It is still a tec 9 and it does what it did before the patch, delete anyone you shoot but with secondaries being a sub-optimal choice of unlock despite being very good at what it does what it does is not worth the unlock slot.Yung Henny wrote:
I agree it was OP, and that it needed to be nerfed. But it was nerfed too hard. A lot of people seem to forget that this is TTT Gmod, not a competitive shooter.MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and MiiaYung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
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Miia wrote:
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As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969123
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Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Yung Henny wrote:
Me segeshtion for the tec 9 is that it goes to primary and a medium increase to rate of fire but the bullits do bit little less damageMemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As i said the best possible change for the tec would be the ability to have both a primary and secondary unlock equipped. It is still a tec 9 and it does what it did before the patch, delete anyone you shoot but with secondaries being a sub-optimal choice of unlock despite being very good at what it does what it does is not worth the unlock slot.Yung Henny wrote:
I agree it was OP, and that it needed to be nerfed. But it was nerfed too hard. A lot of people seem to forget that this is TTT Gmod, not a competitive shooter.MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and MiiaYung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. With all due respect, no. You just complained about removing some unlocks because they are similar and now you want to completely change one of the more unique weapons to make it more like the others. The tec 9 is unique because it is a secondary weapon designed around melting one or two players, there is nothing else like it and it should stay unique. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969125
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DEADMONSTOR wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any things that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. So wrong on so many levels |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969126
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Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Yung Henny wrote:
Me segeshtion for the tec 9 is that it goes to primary and a medium increase to rate of fire but the bullits do bit little less damageMemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As i said the best possible change for the tec would be the ability to have both a primary and secondary unlock equipped. It is still a tec 9 and it does what it did before the patch, delete anyone you shoot but with secondaries being a sub-optimal choice of unlock despite being very good at what it does what it does is not worth the unlock slot.Yung Henny wrote:
I agree it was OP, and that it needed to be nerfed. But it was nerfed too hard. A lot of people seem to forget that this is TTT Gmod, not a competitive shooter.MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and MiiaYung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. With all due respect, no. You just complained about removing some unlocks because they are similar and now you want to completely change one of the more unique weapons to make it more like the others. The tec 9 is unique because it is a secondary weapon designed around melting one or two players, there is nothing else like it and it should stay unique. |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969128
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MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Again you should really read the change logs. The tec has since been reverted back to its original high level of recoil since it was buffed. The tec currently gives you 12 shots of 35 damage each, given the recoil of the weapon not all of those are going to hit on average i would say about 75% of shots will hit depending on the user and range(likely lower but thats more effort), meaning you have on average 9 shots to work with. 9*35=315 On average you can kill around 3 people with 1 mag, most likely less due to the unpredictable nature of the tec and factoring the easy access to jugg and body armour. In the ideal situation, say people are lined up in the tester so all your shots hit, all 12 12*35=420 so at best you can only kill 4 people. The clip size is fine as it is, in an ideal situation which is rare to happen as even in a confined space you can only kill 4 people(and you can still miss), if it was lowered any further it really would be nerfed into the ground as a lot of the time due to its recoil it would struggle to even kill 2 people(hell even 1 if for what ever reason the recoil screws you).Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
Yung Henny wrote:
Me segeshtion for the tec 9 is that it goes to primary and a medium increase to rate of fire but the bullits do bit little less damageMemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As i said the best possible change for the tec would be the ability to have both a primary and secondary unlock equipped. It is still a tec 9 and it does what it did before the patch, delete anyone you shoot but with secondaries being a sub-optimal choice of unlock despite being very good at what it does what it does is not worth the unlock slot.Yung Henny wrote:
I agree it was OP, and that it needed to be nerfed. But it was nerfed too hard. A lot of people seem to forget that this is TTT Gmod, not a competitive shooter.MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Well you have to admit it was OP as and is a secondary so it could do with a little buf in my opinion but it is down to Bezzy and MiiaYung Henny wrote:
You literally just said they nerfed it to the point where no one will use it, now you believe its in the right place?Miia wrote:
It’s a secondary like a pistol it probably in the right placeWarning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
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Warning: Spoiler! [ Click to expand ][ Click to hide ] MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
Miia wrote:
MemesAreGoodWithKim wrote:
As a coder my self I know the difficulty of balancing 20 wepones it’s hard I know but the point was he want calling for help he left it down to some people player segesting what benefits them because we all want every thing in or favour in a gun fight that’s why in overwach when the nursed or bufffed a carecters they would get hate form the people that main the nerfed carecters or the buff on a caricter that made another carecters unplayerbull what I’m trying to say is that there a nock on affect every time he nerfed or buffed something that if it was tested could of been seen what affect that had.This gun balance Bezzy: hummmmmmm if I nerf everything then it can’t be OP right. The community: No Bezzy: who’s the server owner The community: sorry great leader Bezzy: I will nerf every thing and calls it gun balance Bezzy: change every thing and not even test it. Those 20 people segesting things are experienced game devs that know what they are going. Who’s the best, yes, Miia I will test everything with Miia. Aek: see no problem The community: No Bezzy stop Bezzy: I’m a server owner I do what I want. The community: those 20 people are game devs(plz don’t demote me Bezzy I did nothing wrong) Bezzy: as I though no objections. First of all not everything was just nerfed, while a lot of the weapons were toned down a bit and some where nerfed a lot if you actually read the change logs you would notice that quite a few were also buffed in other areas to go with their nerf. This was done in order to attempt to make the weapons feel more unique as apposed to what it was before, where for example the sten was clearly the strongest gun of its ammo type so all the others were virtually pointless. Biggest example being the colt python which has been changed again, yes the ammo, accuracy and headshot multiplier was decreased but it got a buff to its damage and its fire rate. A lot of theses weapons before the patch were just straight up broken and needed to be nerfed, most notable examples being the tec 9 and vector, they outclassed all other weapons and made the game incredibly unfair towards the newer players as they were high level unlocks. The M98B was also broken due to its interaction with deadshot so it was essential that it got a damage nerf. On the opposite side a lot of things were just buffed with no or little counter nerf, the famas had long been seen as a joke of a weapon and is now pretty good, even tho the exact changes have been lost, the suicide bomb also got a long needed buff as well as the UMP so detectives now have a decent item in their shop. About your second comment. If you are honestly going to complain about the work Bezzy has done then maybe you should have actually tried to help him when we all knew he was working on a weapon balance update instead of waiting until after the update comes out to bitch at him. If you cared so much about this update then why did no one else decide to offer any input until now, as far as i am aware i am one of the few if not only person that actually came to Bezzy when they were working on this patch and tried to help them. Since the update came out i have still been talking with Bezzy and testing all the new weapons so that any oversights or further balancing issues could be resolved, the most recent change saw the python and deagle changed so they feel different from each other and the g3 is now a completely different and unique weapon. Also you guys need to lay off Bezzy a bit cus they actually put a lot of effort into this patch and then making the further adjustments. There was some clear things that needed to be nurfed like the tec 9 but they were nurfed so much that no won uses them he could for taken more time with the update and do a bit of testing and if something like this happens again some update I will be willing to help I can code I want this community to strive Bezzy you a great guy but test things and take you time it’s not like the player bace was falling massive then I would forgive you but test test test test. Im going to start by saying this again, Bezzy was not intending to leave it down to just me and him to try to balance the weapons, no one else cared enough to help knowing full well he was working on a massive balance patch that would completely change the server. Im going to assume your next point is that there was some weapon bias involved when balancing( gonna assume you mean towards the tec) which i can assure you is not the case, the weapons were all balanced with the mentality of making them unique from each other and making them fair for both newer and old players. When you imply the update made some weapons unplayable i don't know what you are talking about, every weapon is now in a decent spot which is more than can be said before the patch, guns like the famas were truly unusable. While true i only got the chance to help Bezzy test the weapons after the update came out that does not mean that zero testing or thought was put into this. Assuming your talk of knock on effect is referring to nerf one weapon and another will get stronger, this is the very reason a lot of weapons got there small minor nerfs. When the dominant weapon (tec) got nerfed a lot of other weapons were toned down in order to prevent them from just replacing it as the clearly most OP gun, guns like the terror tech and sten were notable examples of this, if we did not nerf the sten it would just replace the vector. More thought than you realise was put into this update, given the update launch you may think otherwise but at launch there were a few things that got fucked not because we wanted them to be but because the update was rushed out, like the accuracy on a lot of weapons and fire rate. The tec 9 is currently in the most balanced spot it could be without making drastic change to the weapon and it becoming something different from its original design. The tec is supposed to be a weapon you can use to melt players, which you still can do, however it was balanced around the fact is intended to be a secondary weapon and no secondary weapon should be able to kill half the server without having to reload. The main issue with pre patch tec was that people were using it as a primary weapon and it was almost unstoppable. The tec is now a much more niche weapon and cannot be used as a primary weapon, its something you have to use strategically to kill 1-2 players quickly and then get out, in the right situation even with a mag of 12 it can still kill a lot of players. While i agree people are not using the tec as much this is not because the weapon is suddenly trash because its not, the reason is like i said above it is a niche weapon, its situational just like the contender and as a secondary weapon there are a lot of primaries that a lot of the time are a more flexible and can be used in more situations which is why it is not picked up as much. Another thing Bezzy and Miia you need like 3 more people testing and thinking about this because it effects the experience of the server to new and old players and if they enjoyed it then they will be more likely to buy VIP and then community owners are happy. Repeating myself for the third time now. No one else cared enough to test the weapons or even talk about balance. Not one other person came to us knowing full well that Bezzy was working on a massive balance update that would completly change the server, not one other person was like "i care so much about this server i should maybe give my opinion on this". If no one else can be bothered to help it will fall to just me and Bezzy to test the weapons and decide what needs to be changed. Given the fact that no one cared enough to offer help this is what we have and to be perfectly honest i think after the re-balancing done since the patch came out it is pretty decent. I would also like to point out that for all your talk of wanting to help and grant us your knowledge you have not yet pointed out anything useful or provided any thing that in your opinion could be improved. The only thing you have commented on is a weapon that you have not even used as you are not a high enough level to have unlocked it so how you can provide any useful information about it and claim it was nerfed into the ground when you have never even used it is questionable. And no, its not because we cant mow half the server in one clip anymore, its just not good. With all due respect, no. You just complained about removing some unlocks because they are similar and now you want to completely change one of the more unique weapons to make it more like the others. The tec 9 is unique because it is a secondary weapon designed around melting one or two players, there is nothing else like it and it should stay unique. Note-I did not factor headshots or deadshot into this because headshots are unreliable on the tec and pure luck |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969134
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Bezzy has been getting shit he doesnt deserve. Bezzy did really good job in executing what he needed to do. Bezzy had a clear goal with this patch and it was not letting people get 22 kills in a T round without actually being good. Prior to this gun patch I would consider a T round where I kill less than 10 innos a failure, but now I find myself being put into the right place getting that 5-6 kills. Bezzy made the gun balance be about what it should be. Longer kill times is an indirect nerf for being a T since people have chance to gradually take your health down during gunfights (instead of being dead in 0.2 seconds) and/or call you out.
Bezzys decision to increase kill time was definitively needed and his ways of doing so were interesting and functional (and bezzy gave me the DMR I requested <3) |
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Gun Balance Patch - Feedback 6 years 9 months ago #969135
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(and bezzy gave me the DMR I requested <3) Is that the G3 you are talking about? |
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