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TOPIC: Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time

Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999353

So since I've resigned from being an Administrator I have seen various situations where people are banned for far less time then needed.

The reason I'm making this proposal is because we ALL have to remember that we are a community and by banning a player from one of our servers it helps us keep a consistent playerbase as less people are likely to leave because of the server being full of rulebreakers.

Currently banning someone for (8) recent punishments is 1 day at TTT. In this case while it is ultimately up to the admin to decide i find it unacceptable. A 1 day ban is useless, the banned player will just come back the next day and most likely continue to rulebreak, at the very least a 3 day ban should be the norm for this.
Although, I have seen people banning for way longer for recents, which depending on the banned users rapsheet and situation is perfectly fine. Once we ban a person for a long amount of time they tend not to come back due to the amount of time they were banned for, which is good for the server. The kind of players that rulebreak and don't come back from a ban are the kind of players who will not change and will continue to cause issues for other players on the server, it is for the best that they do not come back.

Yes users that have been banned before should get more time as they are aware of the rules.

My proposal for all servers:

Look at what they have done before banning. All admins should be doing this already but pay attention to what they were punished for, look for previous bans, punishments for disrespect, false punishments(mutes/gags with no reason), these factors should help you decide how long they should be banned for.

Do not give them a warning that their next punishment will result in a ban. I know it may seem like a nice thing to do but it causes way more problems then it is worth. Issues tend to arise as there is no way to know who has been told this and who has not and from experience has lead to situations where players have been told there next warning will be a ban however get banned without receiving another warning as there was no way to know, which is very unfair for users. Not only that but it often leads to the player getting multiple warnings when they should have just been banned a long time ago. If you want to warn someone about their recents do it before it is a bannable amount.

By all means be more lenient towards new players. If they do not understand certain rules it may be best to simply explain it to them and let them off with a verbal warning. There is a point however when despite them being a new player you have to understand that they are ruining the experience of other players, if they continue to break rules then they should face the same bans as everyone else. If they have enough recents to be banned they should not be seen as a new player anymore because they have had plenty of chances to read the rules.

Think before you ban and don't go around with the banhammer because you feel like it

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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999354

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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999358

I dont think there is a policy saying " If someone has 8 recents a 1 day ban should be given" so just ban them for as much as you want	RFlex Offline Legendary Member whats up Posts: 5684 Thanks received: 996 Karma: -60
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999359

I fucking love you. The biggest mistake TTT LT was banishing you from their midst ngl	LonelyDodo Offline Expert Boarder Carpe Noctem Posts: 1188 Thanks received: 528 Karma: 12
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999360

Use your brain when banning and don't be so formal, that's a problem I have noticed with all the newer staff members recently.	Nick0GR Offline Marvelous Boarder Posts: 10801 Thanks received: 3307 Karma: -113
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999361

I remember I was one of the few staff on TTT who would sometimes ban before they reached 10 recents (if they had like 5+ or something in 2 days) and I would never warn them before banning if they were already on a bannable amount. And I used to get shitted on for it. Thanks for making this	eddie. Offline Adept Boarder fuck Posts: 6128 Thanks received: 1742 Karma: 48
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999362

RFlexD wrote: I dont think there is a policy saying " If someone has 8 recents a 1 day ban should be given" so just ban them for as much as you want There isnt a policy about it or anything i just copied what someone else wrote but changed it up a bit.	Miia Offline Expert Boarder Ex-TTT Super Admin Posts: 1302 Thanks received: 810 Karma: 3
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999365

Miia wrote: RFlexD wrote: I dont think there is a policy saying " If someone has 8 recents a 1 day ban should be given" so just ban them for as much as you want There isnt a policy about it or anything i just copied what someone else wrote but changed it up a bit. Well just ban them for a week then why is there a need for such suggestion	RFlex Offline Legendary Member whats up Posts: 5684 Thanks received: 996 Karma: -60
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999369

RFlexD wrote:

Miia wrote:

RFlexD wrote:

I dont think there is a policy saying " If someone has 8 recents a 1 day ban should be given" so just ban them for as much as you want

There isnt a policy about it or anything i just copied what someone else wrote but changed it up a bit.

Well just ban them for a week then why is there a need for such suggestion

This post is a parody/satire of a post posted earlier

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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999402

I made this with exactly that reason in mind.	Raeker Offline Former Community Manager It hurts the best of us Posts: 9175 Thanks received: 6576 Karma: 213
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999403

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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999406

EDIT: just wanting to add something to this post;

The current staff members usually don't ban people for a very long time if it is not necessary. In the case that they might do so we have the Appeals and the Report Abuse sections. If the said player takes the time to fill out a report abuse or an appeal, then we know that they most likely care about the server and they really did not know the rules (even tho it's their responsibility). If they just leave from the community for a ban of like 3 days then great, minge deterrent. It's basically the same with longer bans unless they get offended by the ban and think it's not a server to come back to in which case we should change the gameplay and actually punish rulebreakers, which will improve the time they spend on the server and make them want to come back. Therefore the idea to not give bans more often / give a lot of verbal warnings is counter-intuitive since rulebreakers will feel that they can get away with it easier, therefore, playing on the server which may increase the player count temporarily but in the long term it will damage the reputation of the server and make players not want to play on it.

TL;DR its counter-intuitive.

EDIT2: (This is only my opinion on the matter)

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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999419

There isn't a policy for anything like that. But I always tell the staff I train to ban them for a good amount of time. We need to encourage long bans.	Luki_Guki Offline Legendary Member guy Posts: 3991 Thanks received: 1394 Karma: 45
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999420

Nick0GR wrote: Use your brain when banning and don't be so formal, that's a problem I have noticed with all the newer staff members recently.	Kato_ Offline Senior Boarder User is permanently banned from the Zarp service. Posts: 629 Thanks received: 278 Karma: -6
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999428

Well behaved community members such as myself don't have this kind of issue	A Good Pianist Offline Spectacular Boarder A Wob A Bob Bob Posts: 15000 Thanks received: 3911 Karma: 22
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Proposal to stop banning for insufficient time 6 years 9 months ago #999680

I think after recent forum topics this is fresh on everyone's mind - and we're all agreeing.	Froyo Offline Junior Boarder FACT: A group of jellyfish is called a smack Posts: 172 Thanks received: 69 Karma: 2
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