TOPIC: TTT Suggestion-Rule change

Server Name: TTT

Suggestion Title:

Change to rule 2.5

Old- "If two individuals are fighting, or two individuals KOS each other, and you have no proof which could be the traitor, you must wait before joining in the fight until one player dies and they either; identify the body/the round ends/you question them."

New- "if two individuals are fighting, and you have no proof which could be the traitor, you must wait before joining in the fight until one player dies and they either; identify the body/the round ends/you question them. Any KOSes called between 2 individuals in an active gunfight should be treated as part of the gunfight and thus only be carried out when the fight is finished. "

How would it benefit the server:

Make the rule less exploitable and improve overall gameplay by not allowing people to no u any KOS called on them.

Potential Issues/Exploits:

People being annoyed when someone calls a false KOS on them and they get killed.

Additional notes:

As of right now whether it was intentional or not the change to rule 2.5 has made calling a KOS unless you are a detective useless. If the idea was to stop people following KOSes when they do not have proof as to if the person being called KOS is a traitor then it has failed, all this rule does is decide which KOSed person gets to live depending on if they have they have the common sense to just call a KOS person back on the person who called a KOS on them. You get KOSed because you got spotted killing someone in the tower? No problem just KOS them back and no one else apart from that person can do anything. Theres no point to calling KOSes anymore.

TTT is a game about innocents working together to identify traitors, KOSes being pointless as you just get KOSed back activly discourages innocents from sharing information with each other as theres no point, which in my opinion is very bad for a game mode like TTT. On the flip side TTT is also a game about traitors trying to decieve the innocents in order to kill them, if a traitor calls a KOS on someone who KOSed them then another innocent gets fooled by it and kills the innocent i would say thats fair game. Just like if a traitor uses the trap in the tester and an innocent gets dropped, they have tricked an innocent into killing their own as they were not paying enough attention and i dont think we should be punishing people because they fell for traitor deception.

Player decisions is a big part of TTT this is why i also dont like rules such as the if i say i found this t weapon you cant kill because in my opinion no rule shoul exist to force me to believe someone, i want the choice based on what i know from that round wether i should believe him or not. Choices like killing people for doing traitorous things when there is a chance they could be innocent for example ignoring bodies, throwing away diamonds etc, players should have the choice to kill them and the punishment they get for it if they are wrong? Karma loss. If someone gets tricked by a traitor into following a false KOS then that should be their punishment, i dont think we need a rule to protect people from making the wrong choices when following a KOS.

With that being said i understand there were issues with the old rule. Some people would see 2 people in a gunfight both spamming KOS signs and take that to mean they could just kill both players as they were both KOSed. I think my suggested rule stops this while still allowing KOSes to remain relevent. With KOSes you are always going to get the idiots who just like killing anyone they have a reason to but that exists anyway with unidentified bodies and throwing away diamonds, i think its far more important we keep these things then get rid of them because of a few idiots.

There have also been a few cases where one KOS is called over voice and another is called in text and some people who didnt manage to catch the one over voice have fallen victim to this rule, which with all the screaming kids and people who play listening to music is a problem. You shouldnt be punished because you couldnt hear a KOS.

I hope my middle ground between stopping issues caused by the old old rule but not having the new issues created now is enough but i would love to hear some opinions from both the people who think the current version of the rule is good and those who think its bad.

Nina wrote:
I wil admit that by the time i got round to what the new rule should actually say i was tired and didnt think about it much. Right now i think yours is better but i made a slight change, i decided to word it as "if two people are actively fighting and calling KOSes on each other then you cannot just kill both for being KOSed". With the way your version was worded i dont think it changes anything because it still needs the fight to be over which is what it is like now, the issues would likely be instead of just "no KOS him for false KOSing me" it would change to "KOS this guy he false KOSed and shot me". This would in theory still stop you from joining an active gunfight but still allow for KOS calls to be useful without having them be no ued. I think saying that they need to be actively fighting is better what do you guys think?

I feel like this is a good change and would help clarify things