TOPIC: [TTT] Suggestion - Nerf Shotguns

In my opinion they are far too rewarding for how little skill they take to use. The remington as you said is currently way to strong in mid range gunfights, you can just shoot in someones general direction and do 50 damage to them and due to the decent fire rate on the remington they can get a 2nd shot in before you can react if they get the jump on you. None of the other pick up guns can compete with(apart from maybe the new ak) it even the ones intended for mid range fights, try fighting off a remington with an mp5. If you are going to have a shotgun that can one hit kill you need to make the risk of missing that one hit kill punishing so there should be almost no chance of you getting that follow up shot off but at the moment due to the fire rate it feels really spammy.

As for the mossberg i dont even know how to fix that thing, upwards of 70 damage body shots from stupid range. I think the only way to nerf it and keep its identity would be to up the headshot damage but really lower the body shot damage to make it a more precison focused shotgun.

Shotgun balance does need looking into because at the moment they are really not fun to play against.

Honestly balancing shotguns is really hard, this was even worse 6 months ago when the Jackhammer was everywhere because of how much damage it did and how quickly it fired, but after it was nerfed the spread was increased so hitting all the bullets was much harder, and it basically killed the weapon and nobody uses it anymore. I don't want the same thing to happen, so I would definitely agree that such an easy weapon to learn and master shouldn't be able to oneshot (and maybe oneshot through armour, idk if it can but I think it can), but it's very hard to balance if they are still to be usable after a nerf, especially since no new player wants to pick up a shotgun that does 50 damage if every bullet hits the head.

Chespin wrote:
Maybe if we still wanted a one shot shotgun it would be better to replace the remington with something like a double barrel. You can still get the satisfying one hit but you would need to fire both barrels then reload so if you miss its far more punishing.

Yeah, I thought it was just me, getting annoyed and surprised of how bullshit it is to get instakilled by a shotgun and not even getting headshotted. Glad to see other people have noticed it.
The balancing regarding shotguns will be re-done.

This is why I nerfed shotguns a lot back in summer, it’s either too OP or weak

Davidov007 wrote:


EDIT: But seriously, I'll hop on the test server with some LT members later tonight and we will go through balancing them.

In my opinion, I am glad that the shotguns are back. Because for those who are higher level in the game gets the best weapons. So I believe the shotgun is no problem

PoseidonEUW wrote: Higher levels getting access to weapons that are so much more powerful than any of the regualr pick up weapons is another issue. However if people with those weapons are saying its annoying and too strong how do you feel its like for the new players stuck using the uzi or hk?

Honestly the best way to resolve this problem is damage based on distance, we have this on SSRP and it’s improved the shotguns a lot when it comes to close range fights meaning the further you are the less damage it will deal

I've made some changes on the test server. I'm off to bed now but I'll be testing the changes more tomorrow and make any further adjustments if necessary

i have no read anything you guys said. i just read the title and i don't agree

In my opinion there is no way any gun can be balanced, when nerfing the shotgun the same problem will pop up again, it'll either be that its too shit or its too good. I really don't mind shotguns right now.

I feel like shotguns are the only chance for new players to get kills without them they won't be able to kill anyone and would result in people just leaving and losing motivation. I think shotguns are fine the way they are and the only nerf that I would agree with is increasing damage drop off, making them good at short range but useless at longer ranges

Mattors wrote:
Its almost like all the normal pickup weapons apart from the remington are total garbage when compared to the high level unlock weapons.

Sorry for the delay in replying to this.

I was waiting on the shotgun code from SSRP which EMP has kindly provided me (thanks <3) .

The damage they deal now depends on where their target is, dealing more damage the closer they are. Tomorrow I'll get the LT on the test server one final time (@TTTLT) and go through any small tweaks that may be needed.

The changes will be made live tomorrow evening, and you can quote me on this.

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