TOPIC: [TTT] Discrimination

Server Name: TTT

Suggestion Title: Clarify the Discrimination rule

How would it benefit the server:
Currently the discrimination rule is as follows:
1.2 Discrimination
Discrimination in any form (sexism, racism, prejudicial remarks) are not permitted on any server.

However, it is enforced as if it is this rule:
1.2 Discrimination
Discrimination in any form (sexism, racism, predjudicial remarks), and usage of any terminology that is considered bigoted or racist, is completely banned from any server.

Therefore, it should be changed to the latter on the rule page.
Potential Issues/Exploits:
Potentially could result in people getting warned less for bigotry, which might make admins seem as if they're doing less work.

Additional notes:
If usage of these words can result in an immediate ban from any server, it should be made clear in the rules, rather than the current unspecifiic way that it's addressed.

It makes it clear that discrimination of ANY nature is not permitted, it is clearly against our rules so people can be punished for it

It is already clarified enough... Don't be racist or use racist terminolody... Simple for most people to understand/

It's clarified enough as it is, there is no need for a change in my opinion

Codey wrote:
It says in any form!!

It saying "In any form" doesn't mean the same thing as "Don't use racist terms." Discrimination means being prejudice against people for their differences. There are many forms that prejudice can take, whether that's insulting them using terminology specifically referring to that difference (for example, the N word making the very fact that someone is another race out to be a bad thing), or treating someone different because they are different to you.

The words themselves can be used without it being discrimination.

I have to agree! Instead of
It should read
Jokes aside no. It is clearly stated that no racism allowed and racial slurs are racist.

Codey wrote:
Here you are saying that you what you said is racist, when the current rule clearly states that we don't want any racism on the server.

The bottom line is that we don't want anyone using racial slurs or any discriminatory comments on the servers, whether they are directly aimed at someone or not. The rule clearly already states this.

Racism, and terms that are considered racist, are not the same thing, for the same reason that Discrimination and Discriminatory remarks are not the same thing, as I pointed out in my above post. If a dictionary has a definition of the N word in it, the dictionary is not racist just for having the word.

I don't see any issue with making the rules more specific.

Codey wrote:
The word in your dictionary analogy is still racist, whether aimed at someone or not. Nothing needs to be clarified, as the rule clearly states that no racism or any other discriminatory remarks are allowed.

Surely, then, this is also discrimination?

Codey wrote: Now you are just being very petty

Shouldnt the rule read:
Since text inside parentheses is just examples of the action the sentence describes (Discrimination.)
Do not take my word for it since I can hardly handle Finnish grammar.

This is kinda off topic but then again we are talking about discrimination

Why the hell am i in this topic.

Nick0GR wrote: Its petty but surely if we are saying that discrimination in any form means that even saying a naughty word is punishable without any context then Sir Codey has a point. Why should this be allowed?

Miia wrote:
Is "retard" seriously considered as discriminatory?

DaAwezomeViking wrote:
Despite not being in the rules, yes, it is. This is why I'm saying that the rules (not even just this one in particular, but many of them) could do with expanding.

An alternative could be to create a sub-thread of the rules that all players should read, that can be found on the rules page, that clarifies misconceptions and other situations that aren't explicitly put in the rules.

Nick0GR wrote:
I'm not being petty, I'm making a point. I'm not making some kind of report against this user for having the word retard in their thing - on the contrary, the exact thing I'm arguing is that cases like this, where words that are considered discriminatory are used in non-discriminative manners, should be allowed within the rules. If not, it should be made clear that they're not, through a change in the rules to be more specific.

Miia wrote: Black man is apparently racist, so this should be too.

Either go all the way there or not at all - this in between stuff is honestly pissing me off.

Can i take this thread as harassment towards me? Pls