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i've encountered his current attitude on another post on the forums about 2 days ago lol, the attitude comments evidently refer to something elseyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. don't baselessly make attacks on my character for genuinely valid criticisms and concerns regarding his general handling of scenarios which have stayed consistent over the whole year, it's really fucking cringe that you do that as a staff member actually lol edit - a lead team member nonetheless, if you're willing to go out on a limb and attack someone's character for levelling genuine constructive criticisms against one of your members of staff the only thing you demonstrate is a lack of emotional control and a level of bias, you're also not fit for your role and i applaud you for demostrating that fact to me I'm not attacking your character, I'm attacking your critism of Hanz. In my opinon, you're statements are false and I think that they're based on your own personal bias, it's clear you don't like Hanz and I'd say someone who hasn't played the server in a good few months isn't fit to give critism on a staff member. |
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i think when you start to try to nitpick who is and isnt "fit to give criticism" you merely create an echo chamber where flaws arent ironed out and you just get to hear only what you want to hearMattors wrote:
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i've encountered his current attitude on another post on the forums about 2 days ago lol, the attitude comments evidently refer to something elseyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. don't baselessly make attacks on my character for genuinely valid criticisms and concerns regarding his general handling of scenarios which have stayed consistent over the whole year, it's really fucking cringe that you do that as a staff member actually lol edit - a lead team member nonetheless, if you're willing to go out on a limb and attack someone's character for levelling genuine constructive criticisms against one of your members of staff the only thing you demonstrate is a lack of emotional control and a level of bias, you're also not fit for your role and i applaud you for demostrating that fact to me I'm not attacking your character, I'm attacking your critism of Hanz. In my opinon, you're statements are false and I think that they're based on your own personal bias, it's clear you don't like Hanz and I'd say someone who hasn't played the server in a good few months isn't fit to give critism on a staff member. my criticisms are wholly genuine and if you compare what i'm saying to the two instances i've listed, you'd see that it makes complete sense |
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sorIe wrote:
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The thing is, you didn’t leave genuine criticism you basically tried to sabotage his app. I see you constantly making unnecessary comments to both hanz and others And you seem to always try to start arguments on TTT related posts (a server that you don’t play on anymore). from both of the forum posts I’ve looked at he’s acted professional and dealt with the kind of things you were saying very well and you always seem to insist you are right and make him out to be a bad staff member when he doesn’t agree with you. The things that I’ve read seem to indicate that you are angry at him for a warn appeal you posted an entire year ago. Of course if you genuinely feel the way you demonstrated in your original comment there isn’t anything wrong with it, but I thought I’d point these things out so people don’t believe the things coming out of your mouth which I feel is exactly what you want sorIe wrote:
i think when you start to try to nitpick who is and isnt "fit to give criticism" you merely create an echo chamber where flaws arent ironed out and you just get to hear only what you want to hearMattors wrote:
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i've encountered his current attitude on another post on the forums about 2 days ago lol, the attitude comments evidently refer to something elseyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. don't baselessly make attacks on my character for genuinely valid criticisms and concerns regarding his general handling of scenarios which have stayed consistent over the whole year, it's really fucking cringe that you do that as a staff member actually lol edit - a lead team member nonetheless, if you're willing to go out on a limb and attack someone's character for levelling genuine constructive criticisms against one of your members of staff the only thing you demonstrate is a lack of emotional control and a level of bias, you're also not fit for your role and i applaud you for demostrating that fact to me I'm not attacking your character, I'm attacking your critism of Hanz. In my opinon, you're statements are false and I think that they're based on your own personal bias, it's clear you don't like Hanz and I'd say someone who hasn't played the server in a good few months isn't fit to give critism on a staff member. my criticisms are wholly genuine and if you compare what i'm saying to the two instances i've listed, you'd see that it makes complete sense |
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Maddox wrote:
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yes i genuinely feel the way i posted i don't see why you level these accusations against me when it's clear that it is actually genuine criticismMattors wrote:
The thing is, you didn’t leave genuine criticism you basically tried to sabotage his app. I see you constantly making unnecessary comments to both hanz and others And you seem to always try to start arguments on TTT related posts (a server that you don’t play on anymore). from both of the forum posts I’ve looked at he’s acted professional and dealt with the kind of things you were saying very well and you always seem to insist you are right and make him out to be a bad staff member when he doesn’t agree with you. The things that I’ve read seem to indicate that you are angry at him for a warn appeal you posted an entire year ago. Of course if you genuinely feel the way you demonstrated in your original comment there isn’t anything wrong with it, but I thought I’d point these things out so people don’t believe the things coming out of your mouth which I feel is exactly what you wantsorIe wrote:
i think when you start to try to nitpick who is and isnt "fit to give criticism" you merely create an echo chamber where flaws arent ironed out and you just get to hear only what you want to hearMattors wrote:
sorIe wrote:
i've encountered his current attitude on another post on the forums about 2 days ago lol, the attitude comments evidently refer to something elseyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. don't baselessly make attacks on my character for genuinely valid criticisms and concerns regarding his general handling of scenarios which have stayed consistent over the whole year, it's really fucking cringe that you do that as a staff member actually lol edit - a lead team member nonetheless, if you're willing to go out on a limb and attack someone's character for levelling genuine constructive criticisms against one of your members of staff the only thing you demonstrate is a lack of emotional control and a level of bias, you're also not fit for your role and i applaud you for demostrating that fact to me I'm not attacking your character, I'm attacking your critism of Hanz. In my opinon, you're statements are false and I think that they're based on your own personal bias, it's clear you don't like Hanz and I'd say someone who hasn't played the server in a good few months isn't fit to give critism on a staff member. my criticisms are wholly genuine and if you compare what i'm saying to the two instances i've listed, you'd see that it makes complete sense while i may have not acted wholly professional or whatever on the appeal, and why are you trying to make people not believe what im saying when its clearly been documented and evidenced? the accusations of trying to sabotage him are a joke, i don't want people who don't have the correct qualities to be an administrator to get the rank of administrator i find it kinda gross that you'd try to just completely dismiss a clearly evidenced piece of constructive criticism as an attempted sabotage & lead people to "not believe the things coming out of my mouth" when the things coming out of my mouth are wholly valid once again you're just demonstrating your ineptitudes, biases, and poor qualities which quite clearly show that you don't fit an administrative role the warn a year ago is valid because he's still having the same issues from a year ago and shows an inability to improve on pointed out flaws, as this was made clear to him as a flaw at the time too you make me out as trying to be some sort of troublemaker or whatever, i genuinely care about the ttt server as it's one of the servers i still actually enjoy when i play, i wouldn't try to just randomly dismiss a good admin candidate who would do a genuinely good job of keeping the server clean without causing issues for people who want to play seriously |
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Mattors wrote:
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My man jordz just didn't get ssrp admin because he's banned on the forums, so apparently attitude on the forums IS a perfectly valid place to base an opinion you're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. |
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Lewis_is_java wrote:
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And my replies to Sorle on the forums were no where NEAR close to getting banned, my replies were based on Sorle targeting people who play TTT and are apparently "Randoms", anyways I don't have anything else to say, to have a discussion with Sorle is basically impossible and ends up in a loop. sorIe wrote:
My man jordz just didn't get ssrp admin because he's banned on the forums, so apparently attitude on the forums IS a perfectly valid place to base an opinionyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. |
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Hanz wrote:
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If this doesn't demonstrate literally the exact arrogance I've been pointing out as a blatant weakness of yours then I honestly don't know what will Mattors wrote:
And my replies to Sorle on the forums were no where NEAR close to getting banned, my replies were based on Sorle targeting people who play TTT and are apparently "Randoms", anyways I don't have anything else to say, to have a discussion with Sorle is basically impossible and ends up in a loop.sorIe wrote:
My man jordz just didn't get ssrp admin because he's banned on the forums, so apparently attitude on the forums IS a perfectly valid place to base an opinionyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. |
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sorIe wrote:
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Please explain how this demonstrates literally anything about his attitude Lewis_is_java wrote:
If this doesn't demonstrate literally the exact arrogance I've been pointing out as a blatant weakness of yours then I honestly don't know what willMattors wrote:
And my replies to Sorle on the forums were no where NEAR close to getting banned, my replies were based on Sorle targeting people who play TTT and are apparently "Randoms", anyways I don't have anything else to say, to have a discussion with Sorle is basically impossible and ends up in a loop.sorIe wrote:
My man jordz just didn't get ssrp admin because he's banned on the forums, so apparently attitude on the forums IS a perfectly valid place to base an opinionyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. |
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Maddox wrote:
sorIe wrote:
unwilling to have a genuine constructive discussion about his weaknesses and makes generalisations based on past interactions in which he was going out of his way to bait and provoke people, shows bias + arrogance and links back to his trollish nature at times Hanz wrote:
Please explain how this demonstrates literally anything about his attitudeLewis_is_java wrote:
If this doesn't demonstrate literally the exact arrogance I've been pointing out as a blatant weakness of yours then I honestly don't know what willMattors wrote:
And my replies to Sorle on the forums were no where NEAR close to getting banned, my replies were based on Sorle targeting people who play TTT and are apparently "Randoms", anyways I don't have anything else to say, to have a discussion with Sorle is basically impossible and ends up in a loop.sorIe wrote:
My man jordz just didn't get ssrp admin because he's banned on the forums, so apparently attitude on the forums IS a perfectly valid place to base an opinionyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. |
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roof king and a very good moderator, defo a from me.
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sorIe wrote:
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Nah mate he just says he doesn’t want to talk to you because you just repeat the same things over and over again not actually getting anywhere making it more like an argument when it only has to be a simple resolution. I’m going to stop replying to you on this thread due to the things specified before and that this is an application and not a place for this. sorIe wrote:
unwilling to have a genuine constructive discussion about his weaknesses and makes generalisations based on past interactions in which he was going out of his way to bait and provoke people, shows bias + arrogance and links back to his trollish nature at timesHanz wrote:
Please explain how this demonstrates literally anything about his attitudeLewis_is_java wrote:
If this doesn't demonstrate literally the exact arrogance I've been pointing out as a blatant weakness of yours then I honestly don't know what willMattors wrote:
And my replies to Sorle on the forums were no where NEAR close to getting banned, my replies were based on Sorle targeting people who play TTT and are apparently "Randoms", anyways I don't have anything else to say, to have a discussion with Sorle is basically impossible and ends up in a loop.sorIe wrote:
My man jordz just didn't get ssrp admin because he's banned on the forums, so apparently attitude on the forums IS a perfectly valid place to base an opinionyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. |
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Maddox wrote:
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if so why did you do the same thing you see as " awful " and not only watch my application get shit on by people but also join them in this so called sabotaging ... he is giving his opinion, once he applies on a forums he must expect feedback just because someone pointed out a few negative points doesnt make him a bias attacker for god sake lol. Mattors wrote:
The thing is, you didn’t leave genuine criticism you basically tried to sabotage his app. I see you constantly making unnecessary comments to both hanz and others And you seem to always try to start arguments on TTT related posts (a server that you don’t play on anymore). from both of the forum posts I’ve looked at he’s acted professional and dealt with the kind of things you were saying very well and you always seem to insist you are right and make him out to be a bad staff member when he doesn’t agree with you. The things that I’ve read seem to indicate that you are angry at him for a warn appeal you posted an entire year ago. Of course if you genuinely feel the way you demonstrated in your original comment there isn’t anything wrong with it, but I thought I’d point these things out so people don’t believe the things coming out of your mouth which I feel is exactly what you wantsorIe wrote:
i think when you start to try to nitpick who is and isnt "fit to give criticism" you merely create an echo chamber where flaws arent ironed out and you just get to hear only what you want to hearMattors wrote:
sorIe wrote:
i've encountered his current attitude on another post on the forums about 2 days ago lol, the attitude comments evidently refer to something elseyou're demonstrating a tendency towards a lack of empathy/understanding of justifications in your recent comments on an appeal, this has been a consistent issue since the day you got moderator originally and as such makes me heavily reluctant to believe that you'd be a solid adminstrator in any form additionally you have abrasive tendencies within your attitude and you're a bit of a troll and quite simply you're not a good fit for a staff member Sorle you havn't played TTT in ages, so who are you to comment on Hanz's current attitude. You are basing it entirely on two posts on an appeal where he just said what happened and gave more insight into the situation. Stop being salty cause he warned you a year ago, lol. don't baselessly make attacks on my character for genuinely valid criticisms and concerns regarding his general handling of scenarios which have stayed consistent over the whole year, it's really fucking cringe that you do that as a staff member actually lol edit - a lead team member nonetheless, if you're willing to go out on a limb and attack someone's character for levelling genuine constructive criticisms against one of your members of staff the only thing you demonstrate is a lack of emotional control and a level of bias, you're also not fit for your role and i applaud you for demostrating that fact to me I'm not attacking your character, I'm attacking your critism of Hanz. In my opinon, you're statements are false and I think that they're based on your own personal bias, it's clear you don't like Hanz and I'd say someone who hasn't played the server in a good few months isn't fit to give critism on a staff member. my criticisms are wholly genuine and if you compare what i'm saying to the two instances i've listed, you'd see that it makes complete sense |
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Lewis_is_java wrote:
I take criticism, its good for anyone looking to improve, however the points Sorle is making in his posts is truly invalid, he says I "bait/provoke" people. he says I show no empathy which is also not true, I always give newer people second chances if they REALLY don't know the rules. You brought up the litte forum feud we had not too long ago, I do agree I didn't act as professional as I could've but you targeted me for no absolute reason cause I made a joke saying "eww league", So when people look at your post and say I don't take criticism is truly false, when you want to give me real things to work on, provide me with actual info please.
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Hanz wrote:
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I take criticism, its good for anyone looking to improve, however the points Sorle is making in his posts is truly invalid, he says I "bait/provoke" people. he says I show no empathy which is also not true, I always give newer people second chances if they REALLY don't know the rules. You brought up the litte forum feud we had not too long ago, I do agree I didn't act as professional as I could've but you targeted me for no absolute reason cause I made a joke saying "eww league", So when people look at your post and say I don't take criticism is truly false, when you want to give me real things to work on, provide me with actual info please. i mean your arrogance is demonstrated in the point i already made, and you can decline it all you want however it really is as clear as day that you can't look at handing out punishments in a subjective manner which is a horrible quality for a staff member, it's been a consistent issue ever since you were first staffit's like you don't look at punishments as a way of punishing/preventing genuinely disruptive players from being disruptive, you see it as a way of punishing consistently decent players for making minor mistakes which cause minimal disruption or dont affect the outcome of the round or have genuine good reason behind them |
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sorIe wrote:
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Those who are actually involved with TTT know how I handle rulebreakers on the server, You cannot talk about how I handle situations if you simply aren't there. If you wanna discuss this further message me on discord at Hanz#4922. I've had enough talking on the applications section. Lewis_is_java wrote:
I take criticism, its good for anyone looking to improve, however the points Sorle is making in his posts is truly invalid, he says I "bait/provoke" people. he says I show no empathy which is also not true, I always give newer people second chances if they REALLY don't know the rules. You brought up the litte forum feud we had not too long ago, I do agree I didn't act as professional as I could've but you targeted me for no absolute reason cause I made a joke saying "eww league", So when people look at your post and say I don't take criticism is truly false, when you want to give me real things to work on, provide me with actual info please. i mean your arrogance is demonstrated in the point i already made, and you can decline it all you want however it really is as clear as day that you can't look at handing out punishments in a subjective manner which is a horrible quality for a staff member, it's been a consistent issue ever since you were first staffit's like you don't look at punishments as a way of punishing/preventing genuinely disruptive players from being disruptive, you see it as a way of punishing consistently decent players for making minor mistakes which cause minimal disruption or dont affect the outcome of the round or have genuine good reason behind them |
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Hanz wrote:
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i mean i can talk about it if you directly demonstrate it on the forums & i've seen it in the past and there's evidently no change lol Hanz wrote:
Those who are actually involved with TTT know how I handle rulebreakers on the server, You cannot talk about how I handle situations if you simply aren't there. If you wanna discuss this further message me on discord at Hanz#4922. I've had enough talking on the applications section.Lewis_is_java wrote:
I take criticism, its good for anyone looking to improve, however the points Sorle is making in his posts is truly invalid, he says I "bait/provoke" people. he says I show no empathy which is also not true, I always give newer people second chances if they REALLY don't know the rules. You brought up the litte forum feud we had not too long ago, I do agree I didn't act as professional as I could've but you targeted me for no absolute reason cause I made a joke saying "eww league", So when people look at your post and say I don't take criticism is truly false, when you want to give me real things to work on, provide me with actual info please. i mean your arrogance is demonstrated in the point i already made, and you can decline it all you want however it really is as clear as day that you can't look at handing out punishments in a subjective manner which is a horrible quality for a staff member, it's been a consistent issue ever since you were first staffit's like you don't look at punishments as a way of punishing/preventing genuinely disruptive players from being disruptive, you see it as a way of punishing consistently decent players for making minor mistakes which cause minimal disruption or dont affect the outcome of the round or have genuine good reason behind them |
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