TOPIC: [SSRP Moderator] Jack Bushross's Application

Used to be a an asshole.
But has greatly improved his attitude over time and is nice guy now,

Rick Johnson wrote: A punishment for racism shouldn’t be overlooked, why on earth you want to overlook that is beyond me, regardless of how long after the meeting until it expires.

Kyber wrote: No one ever said that it is being overlooked, we're saying that 2 hours is basically nothing compared to 2 weeks

A Good Guitarist wrote:
No you are all over looking it apologies now

A Good Pianist wrote: Imagine being bad at your 1st language

Kyber wrote:
I mean my stance on his application is still neutral so I'm clearly not overlooking it. You're right in saying that racism is a serious offence, but given the circumstances, there's hardly any harm done - if any. If you can't differentiate between someone who is actually racist and someone who ignorantly used a racist term in a gang chat I have a hard time understanding why you have a lead team position in the first place. We clearly don't see eye-to-eye on this, but the grounds on which you want to deny him are kind of stupid given the circumstances in my opinion.

Rick Johnson wrote: There’s a reason racism had a zero tolerance tolerance policy, meaning it is strictly forbidden from the servers. We don’t see eye to eye on this issue, but racism should not be overlooked in any way due to the severity of the rule break, it’s recent, and I’d honestly take racism punishments more seriously when it comes to a staff team.

Kyber wrote: You're saying this as if he'd be going around saying racist shit on the server when he is a staff member when this is just not the case. I am in teamspeak with him more or less most or everyday, and I have only heard Jamie say something racist like once or twice over the past few months. I'll be honest, I am a racist guy but you don't see me going blaring all of that racist shit on the server. I really am a different person when I am staffing comparing to when I am talking with friends. I am pretty sure Jamie is the same as me.

Killed me while he was nuking while I was in spawn various times...

Kyber wrote:
It is a severe rule break indeed, and that's something I've agreed on throughout this entire argument, however I don't get why you think a (1 week, 6 days and 22 hour(s)) punishment is more valid than a (2 week) punishment to the extent that it makes a difference. That's not how things work. I also disagree with the fact that you are completely ignorant of the difference between actual racist discrimination and a racist term used in a gang chat.

Stoned wrote: Talk about toxic? You blocked me because I hit you with my car and you lost your AWM in pubg and you were telling me to kms.Not 1 person is this community actually fucking likes you just piss off already please.

Rick Johnson wrote: There’s also consistency when it comes to someone’s punishments, I want to make sure someone can follow the rules before they become a staff member, there’s a reason recent punishments are brought up in meetings. That is to show if someone can consistently follow the rules, due to racism being a severe punishment, I would like to see another week in which he would obtain no punishments in to prove he can follow the rules. Who cares whether it’s two hours until it’s no longer recent? It should be accounted for when accepting new staff members

Kyber wrote:
It will be accounted for, we've accepted people with recent punishments in the past. My point is you don't only look at someone's punishment, one should also take into account the time of the punishment, the circumstances of the punishment, and so forth.

I would think you'd know to analyze punishments and situations more in-depth, but I guess not. Looking at it in such a binary way is simply not how I determine a situation and/or the verdict of an application.

Rick Johnson wrote: You don’t seem to understand that racism is a lot more severe of a punishment than the classic RDM punishment, so your first sentence is just unrelated to the context of the situation. And from your second sentence you are now making out that we should accept people with punishments for racism because it’s not a big deal? There was a zero tolerance policy for a reason buddy. And stop with the passive aggressiveness ffs , it doesn’t make you look big nor does it make your point more meaningful, it’s just purely unnecessary

Kyber wrote:
No, I'm generally annoyed by your mindset. The fact that you won't consider the circumstances- nor the time of a punishment because of an old policy is stupid in my opinion. Also, I'm very aware of the severity of all the different punishments, and I've already said on multiple occasions that I'm not okay with the use of racist terms at all. However, I simply won't agree to the black and white image that somehow a private conversation within a gang is as serious as you make it out to be; you make it seem like it's somehow as serious as an actual racist person with malicious intent. Especially taking into account that it's literally two hours short of being two weeks old.

Rick Johnson wrote: You obviously don’t see my point then or understand it, I’m done with this argument and it’s getting no where, if you actually want to sort this out then contact me on steam, the rest of this should stay off this thread.

Kyber wrote:
Add me on Steam and we can discuss this further then. We can hopefully reach a fair conclusion there.

You have a really short temper and a bad attitude at times. Fix it, and while you're at it, stop orbing car dealer during rich nukes.

Heck yea

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