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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224033

Yeah that's great mate thank you so much! Don't suppose you have me and Rittsu talking on mic as well lad?
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224034

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IDK seems heavily suspect considering I was penalised for saying it. I even said shortly after maybe he should change his name.
my point exactly, if people are being punished for saying the name, the name should be changed

Oh I understand, sorry for jumping to conclusions.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224035

I think this is the exact moment! Great detective work!
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Kevin and Rittsu False Punishments 4 years 7 months ago #1224036

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Honestly they shouldn’t punish racism if they’re not 100% sure what was said.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224037

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Yeah that's great mate thank you so much! Don't suppose you have me and Rittsu talking on mic as well lad?
Sadly I don't. I only posted the video because I thought that maybe this could help.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224039

Nah that's great mate shows the main incident that resulted in me being gagged. Hopefully that means Kevin can be dealt with appropriately. Here's hoping somebody else can come forward with some evidence that exposes Rittsu as well.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224040

I’ll speak to the staff members in question tomorrow as they are offline now. If anymore evidence does come up do post it here on send it to me in a private message on discord.

I will post the verdict and outcome tomorrow!
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224042

Thanks Hazza and Poseidon and everyone else for your help. Hopefully we can get this dealt with appropriately. Hopefully these two mods can treat this as a learning experience and maybe have some refresher training. Or maybe it's worth taking the demotion and have the time to reflect on what behaviour is required for a server mod. Thanks guys.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224044

I'd also like to weigh in and state that Rittsu had me banned for false reports which wasn't true. I had incurred some warnings and bans on the server by admin Ross for killing on sus and rdm which were justified. I then later reported a player for shooting to hurt but not kill me (so as not to incur rdm) after consulting the damage logs as I was not 100% aware of the situation until I had read these. Rittsu banned me for false reporting and did not even bother to check the logs. He then later lied on my ban appeal by saying he didn't see anything and the other mods on this forum took his word for it with no evidence.

I understand this is my word against his. I did also chat with Rittsu on Steam asking him to at least check the logs which he refused to do. Hopefully this is of some help with your report as Rittsu too directed me to the forums rather than take a proactive approach to moderating.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224045

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I'd also like to weigh in and state that Rittsu had me banned for false reports which wasn't true. I had incurred some warnings and bans on the server by admin Ross for killing on sus and rdm which were justified. I then later reported a player for shooting to hurt but not kill me (so as not to incur rdm) after consulting the damage logs as I was not 100% aware of the situation until I had read these. Rittsu banned me for false reporting and did not even bother to check the logs. He then later lied on my ban appeal by saying he didn't see anything and the other mods on this forum took his word for it with no evidence.

I understand this is my word against his. I did also chat with Rittsu on Steam asking him to at least check the logs which he refused to do. Hopefully this is of some help with your report as Rittsu too directed me to the forums rather than take a proactive approach to moderating.

If u want to appeal a punishments that was given to you, please post it yourself on the "New Topic" on the right.
And following this template to appeal your ban :
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224053

Yeah I appreciate it mate but Ive already made an appeal that was denied. My bans almost over anyway so I'm not really bothered. I was just providing some more evidence regarding the conduct of one of the mods in question.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224083

Chespin wrote:
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IDK seems heavily suspect considering I was penalised for saying it. I even said shortly after maybe he should change his name.
my point exactly, if people are being punished for saying the name, the name should be changed
Theres no reason for him to change his name as its not breaking any rules. The problem is not the name its that staff are retarded.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224085

Chespin wrote:
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IDK seems heavily suspect considering I was penalised for saying it. I even said shortly after maybe he should change his name.
my point exactly, if people are being punished for saying the name, the name should be changed
its a character from the walking dead and literally the only resemblance it has to the n word is that is that it starts with neg, hes not trying to loophole racism he probably just likes that character. making him change it would just be an excuse for the staff to not listen in on whats actually said and just punish when something starts with an N
edit- but overall it seems like an honest misunderstanding as from what ive heard people in chat were convincing the staff that you said the n word so i dont think any action is necessary but the gag should be removed from your rap sheet
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224086

I don’t see any reason for action to be taken against Rittsu as what he was telling you is that you would need proof for any action to be taken against me, and also I was assuring him that you said the N word at the time when he asked me about it, because that’s what I believed at the moment.

When I heard you say what I now understand is negan everyone started spamming N word N word in chat and I saved an instant replay of it, when I looked at it I genuinely believed you said the n word and I hadn’t even thought of the possibility that you said negan. All I said in chat at the time was “negan would have been fine, but that’s not what you said” and this can be verified via the logs. As I was convinced from the recording that's not what you said.

Regarding the name change thing, no one changed the name because people knew it wasn’t loopholing racism and no one was supposed to get punished for it, well until I misheard him.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224087

Negan is not a loophole of racism, sure you can say it sounds similar but it is a name and there wasn’t even any offensive context like (TOU spoiler, be aware)
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as an example to loophole the rule.

You’ve done nothing wrong by the looks of it and I hope this will get solved for you, the staff members in question will just need to understand situations like these much better next time. No excuses to say the nword either, I don’t care who it is but they’re clearly being arseholes.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224088

I was told multiple times that this server is "innocent until proven guilty".

Why tf is this even going is beyond me, whilst idk about a DEMOTE per say, because I know first hand how hectic the server can get, mishearing stuff with 5+ people talking AT THE SAME TIME and having to manage so many people, it gets hard, but definitely not up to this point hard. Saying Negan is not an excusable use of loophole racism enforcement, there shouldn't even be a discussion about this.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224089

First of all i shouldnt be in this report because all i told you to do was go on the forums and make an appeal
Secondly, you kept bugging me in game about the whole thing, which i told you to appeal and you tried making it a big deal when there was no need and you could have just appealed it like i said.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224091

KLaimsbury wrote:
I'd also like to weigh in and state that Rittsu had me banned for false reports which wasn't true. I had incurred some warnings and bans on the server by admin Ross for killing on sus and rdm which were justified. I then later reported a player for shooting to hurt but not kill me (so as not to incur rdm) after consulting the damage logs as I was not 100% aware of the situation until I had read these. Rittsu banned me for false reporting and did not even bother to check the logs. He then later lied on my ban appeal by saying he didn't see anything and the other mods on this forum took his word for it with no evidence.

I understand this is my word against his. I did also chat with Rittsu on Steam asking him to at least check the logs which he refused to do. Hopefully this is of some help with your report as Rittsu too directed me to the forums rather than take a proactive approach to moderating.

Like i told you if i made a punishment against you and you don't think it is fair then appeal it.
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224100

There's no evidence
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[TTT] Demote Request - Kevin and Rittsu 4 years 7 months ago #1224107

Hello!

I have looked through the report and spoken to the staff members involved, as well as look at the evidence posted on the thread and have decide to ACCEPT the report on Kevin.
The video posted below by Poseidon (CLICKY) clearly shows you said the player name 'Negan', and not the word which Kevin through he heard and punished you for. I have told Kevin to be more careful when handing out punishments, especially those of such severity as Racism. A talking to is all that will happen, but further action will be taken should it happen again. The punishment for Racism will be removed.

No action will be taken against Rittsu as they informed yo where to go to report, I will just ask and make sure that its delivered in a friendlier day.


Sorry for the stress and enjoy the rest of your day

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