TOPIC: [TTT] MattorS

Staff Member(s) Name: MattorS
Staff Member(s) SteamID: STEAM_0:0:177633343
What did the Staff Member(s) do?: Gave me a warning for discrimination, after I used the word nigger in a context that was in no way discriminatory.

Context:
Jaarix called somebody a retard. I reported him for doing so, as to use the word in a derogatory manner is discrimination, suggesting that being retarded, a serious mental health issue, makes you somehow less of a person than someone who isn't retarded.
He responded with an apology, stating that he used the word with the intent for it to just mean someone who was silly, or stupid, rather than the actual condition of retardation.
I responded that this was akin to using the word Nigger and then claiming that you simply meant someone who is silly, and doesn't follow the rules. It's clearly not a valid reason to use that word, and looks very much so like a poorly given excuse.

I was then muted for this, as apparently I had been discriminatory.
Using the word Nigger isn't discrimination in and of itself. Even so, I can understand why you wouldn't want the word used in general. So, I consider it fair enough that I was muted in this instance. I don't think it was fair that I was given a formal warning for it, considering that the context that I used it in was one that was attempting to inform someone else why their actual instance of discrimination wasn't allowed.

In addition, from the way MattorS responded, it seemed to me that originally, he wasn't actually intending to punish the person I reported for their discrimination, and only did so because I had apparently also been discriminatory, and because he wanted to punish me specifically, he felt he also had to punish Jaarix. In fact, the report I made about Jaarix using the word Retard in a derogatory manner wasn't even handled until two rounds after mine and his punishment.

I don't think I should've received the warning for this.

What server(s) was this on?: It was on the Trouble in Terrorist Town server.
Evidence:
Proof of warning puu.sh/zLNtR/d8c9285e07.png
Console logs of the interaction: puu.sh/zLNyQ/091720410f.png and puu.sh/zLNAV/5705ba637e.png
Just the important part of the logs, in plain text:

It seems to me that if you have a carpet ban on all words that can be used to disrespect, you should make that clear in your rules, rather than simply stating that discrimination is itself banned, because as I've pointed out, you can use the word Nigger, Faggot, etc. in ways that aren't discrimination. The most obvious example being: "Don't use Nigger, or Faggot, to insult or disrespect people, as it's against the rules." Otherwise you'd have to ban your own staff for telling people not to use those words, you know?

Saying "Using the word Retard is just as bad as saying Nigger" isn't discrimination, which is what your rules prohibit.

Cheers.

The community's policies dictate that you should be banned for such terms - you should be happy you got away with only a warning.

Raeker wrote:
Where is that made clear in the rules?

Where is that made clear in the rules?][/quote]

Post on the fourms, it was a warning to all

Handling

LeL, u still can't say the n-word, in game+forums.

+it is still discrimination, ect even if it is in quotations, ect.

MattorS wrote:
Post on the fourms, it was a warning to all[/quote]

Where is that made clear in the rules? Not to be pedantic, but when we join the server, we're told to go and read the rules, now prowl through the forums reading every post that has ever been made. If you make something a warnable offence, we should know that because it's against the rules, and therefore written in the rules.

Again, saying Nigger in and of itself isn't discrimination.

"In fact, the report I made about Jaarix using the word Retard in a derogatory manner wasn't even handled until two rounds after mine and his punishment."

Well as is shown but your chat logs, I punished Jaarix immediately after punishing you, the actual report was just set to finish as I had already handled it, this is a completely irrelevant point to bring up

MattorS wrote:
It's relevant to this part of my OP,

Codey wrote:
I was on there when this happened. He did his job well and you both got warned for being racist and being disrespectful towards others.

VyTeXx wrote:
Who was I disrespectful towards, exactly? You may aswell claim that when you search for the word Nigger, Google is racist for showing that the word even exists.

We have a 0 tolerance policy, you can be punished no matter the context. I only opted not to ban you because you didn't use it in a derogatory context but I am still well within my rights to warn and either gag/mute you

MattorS wrote:
Then this should be made clear in the rules that we're required to read, rather than it having to be learnt via punishment in-game. I don't see how anyone can be punished for breaking a rule that isn't written down in the rules.

Handling

Nick0GR wrote: Isn't lonelydodo handling it?

VyTeXx wrote:
He is handling now

Codey wrote:
I hope you like the colour brown