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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607590

Why are the alts still here wtf it's like an never dying ape that has three testicles wtf! fix the alt problem if possible tho for real!
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607593

How the fuck do you fix an alt problem?
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607595

or dont create alt's just to look like you have people backing you up, thats always an option as well
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607596

DEADMONSTOR wrote:
How the fuck do you fix an alt problem?

Simple as email confirmation boy ;)
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607599

XxmasterxX wrote:
DEADMONSTOR wrote:
How the fuck do you fix an alt problem?

Simple as email confirmation boy ;)

are you really as dense as you portray yourself?
that is not gonna stop people from making alts
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607600

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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607603

ParaMontana wrote:
XxmasterxX wrote:
DEADMONSTOR wrote:
How the fuck do you fix an alt problem?

Simple as email confirmation boy ;)

are you really as dense as you portray yourself?
that is not gonna stop people from making alts

Your solution

My bypass: 10minutemail.com/

Like it ain't that easy
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607605

ParaMontana wrote:
XxmasterxX wrote:
DEADMONSTOR wrote:
How the fuck do you fix an alt problem?

Simple as email confirmation boy ;)

are you really as dense as you portray yourself?
that is not gonna stop people from making alts

Ohh trust me it will lower the alts a lot maybe not getting rid of them but will lower them dude no one will be bothered to make an new email account just to confirm and make an alt xD
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607611

XxmasterxX wrote:
ParaMontana wrote:
XxmasterxX wrote:
DEADMONSTOR wrote:
How the fuck do you fix an alt problem?

Simple as email confirmation boy ;)

are you really as dense as you portray yourself?
that is not gonna stop people from making alts

Ohh trust me it will lower the alts a lot maybe not getting rid of them but will lower them dude no one will be bothered to make an new email account just to confirm and make an alt xD


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ParaMontana wrote:
XxmasterxX wrote:
DEADMONSTOR wrote:
How the fuck do you fix an alt problem?

Simple as email confirmation boy ;)

are you really as dense as you portray yourself?
that is not gonna stop people from making alts

Your solution

My bypass: 10minutemail.com/

Like it ain't that easy
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607613

I'd rather say that a new account should wait 1-2 days before being able to post
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607615

Friccin Moron wrote:
I'd rather say that a new account should wait 1-2 days before being able to post


Nooooooooo

Oh I want to report someone on the forums. Please wait 2 days. Fuck.

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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607616

Friccin Moron wrote:
I'd rather say that a new account should wait 1-2 days before being able to post

yeah or just Mobile code confirmation pretty simple :)
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607617

Friccin Moron wrote:
I'd rather say that a new account should wait 1-2 days before being able to post
What if someone wants to make a report/appeal and they don't have a forum acc,they'll have to wait 1 day to appeal or report someone
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607619

I heard by some cm banned people that you need to wait like moderator confirmation before posting not sure tho
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607624

Friccin Moron wrote:
I'd rather say that a new account should wait 1-2 days before being able to post

Yea nah, you forget that trolls have way too much time on their hands. They'll spend an afternoon making 15 accounts and spam the forums 2 days later.
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607628

We’ll start with the easiest and most tedious; alternate accounts. Commonly known as “alts” or “multinicks”, these users are a blight on essentially every board at some point. As the name implies, these are users who register multiple accounts on your board. Their purposes aren’t always nefarious; I can recall one user who started a dozen accounts purely because he couldn’t decide on a name he liked. He was aghast at the discovery that this was against our forum rules. There are also people who’ve simply forgotten their account info, or false IP check positives from roommates and partners. Like all users who essentially want to contribute, these are easily dealt with.

One of the more common abuses of alternate accounts is the “sock puppet”. This is an account set up by a user to support their primary account, generally in debates. A sock puppet account for me in the user comments for this article might look like this

Sock Puppet #1: Gosh, what a brilliantly incisive article from Patrick.
Sock Puppet #2: I agree! And what a handsome byline picture! Vanilla should give him a company car!

Naturally this is an incredibly childish way to carry on, but even experienced journalists have been caught doing this with their own wikipedia entries. Generally these users aren’t going to bother to clear their IPs or cookies, so aren’t too hard to detect. It’s a good idea to run an IP check on any new user who have suddenly materialised to be extremely supportive of one of your regulars. A user of sockpuppets by definition has a lot wrapped up in their online identity. The embarrassment of their juvenile deception being revealed will normally prevent repeat offences.

By far the most common abuse of alts you’re likely to see is users attempting to circumvent bans or other account restrictions. It’s rare that a week goes by without someone trying this. It’s even rarer to find a user who doesn’t believe they’re a cunning genius for having thought of it. My personal policy is that anyone caught circumventing a temporary banning in this way will have their ban made permanent. A f1ew users will respond to this by simply making a new alt, then another, ad infinitum. IP bans are obviously a limited help in this. Users with even the most limited internet savvy will know how to use proxies and spam emails to keep making accounts. While there are other methods of detecting users, going into them here would obviously be of more help to the ban dodgers than to you.

Fortunately, the real solution will come from your management of the situation. In some cases, the alternate account problem can be turned into an effective way to defuse the troll. This exchange isn’t uncommon

User: You may have banned me, but I’ll just make an alternate account and keep posting!
Mod: Right, but because of your constant abusive behaviour we’ll know it’s you and simply ban it again.
User: Well then! I’ll follow all of the rules of the forum and you’ll never know that it’s me
Mod: So you’ll just start contributing properly? Lo, I am undone.

The troll will then use their proxy alt to scrupulously follow the rules, confident that they have outsmarted you. As long as they’re smart enough to keep hiding their identity, you may as well let them. There is more than one user on Penny Arcade with a secret identity that everyone on the staff is aware of, but since said identity leaves results in them behaving in an exemplary fashion we’re all perfectly willing to let them believe we’ve been hoodwinked.

More belligerent and self righteous users will make little to no attempt to hide their identity, and will continue with the behaviour that got them banned in the first place. The solution to this comes in two parts. The first is simply the grinding tedium of banning their alts over and over again. A determined user will always find a way to keep making accounts. Keep banning them. It’s quicker for you to ban accounts than it is for them to make accounts. One particularly persistent user had been banned over 200 times before they got bored. Never underestimate the free time available to heavy internet users, but don’t be discouraged. Keep banning them. Don’t make a deal.

The second part of the solution is user and mod education. Both you and your mods should completely stop engaging the user. Don’t leave ban messages. Don’t offer a witty rejoinder. Give them as little attention as possible. If they send abusive emails, ignore them. Block IMs without a word of response. See who rusts first. Make sure that your users do they same, and if necessary punish users who refuse to disengage. When a troll sees no reaction from staff or users, their will to continue will ebb quickly. Even the most tragic troll will eventually get sick of throwing themselves at the ramparts, and will either move on or try the aforementioned tactic of blending in. If they’re successful in doing so, go ahead and let them have the victory of thinking they tricked you. Once you stop getting annoyed by the bark, you’ll see that these users have no bite at all.
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607629

It's simple all you need to do is add your phone number and you can only have the number for one account then it will send an code to your phone and wolah your account is activated and you can do it only once per phone number easy!
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607630

XxmasterxX wrote:
It's simple all you need to do is add your phone number and you can only have the number for one account then it will send an code to your phone and wolah your account is activated and you can do it only once per phone number easy!

Not everyone has a phone nor should we restrict it to people who do
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607632

Locked topic . No need for this
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I thought the Alt problem was fixed? 7 years 7 months ago #607689

To further elaborate ZARP operates an intentionall open policy for users to connect to our Forums. We take pride in the fact that anyone anywhere can access our community and be a part of it. I would credit a part of how active our forums are is because of the ease of access to our platform! We have spam protection in place but any more intrusive protection would have the posiblity to deny or deter users from registering. Ultimently spamers are always going to find a way past auto matic detection and thats not even talking about human spammers. Thats why we have GMs and Admins. If you see a spam post report it and move on.
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