TOPIC: Addressing the elephant in the room. Please read.

BremFM wrote:
why are we almost the only people that actually understand this.

ive made 500 mil basing in the longest base in zarp ever. (2 days. 1 x4 magik, 6 festives)

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yet have made billions from mining. (100x diamond pickaxes)
Math:
72000 gems/hour
During an event, the smartest time to sell gems, probably an average of $60, so lets use that!

72000 x $60 = $4,320,000
An hour of mining gems = $4.32 million dollars

From my 3 months mining experience I calculated 5 hours was the average amount of set time I spent mining, for example - every time I equipped that pickaxe an average of 5 hours would pass and I would have been rdmed.

$4.32 million x 5 hours =
$21.6 million
Factoring the loss of one pickaxe of the diamond caliber:
$21.6 million
-$1.5 million
$20.1 million/ 5 hours


Okay, so an average person might say "well that doesnt seem like a lot?" because there's nothing to compare it to. Not to fear, scroll down!
Basing is dangerous. Really dangerous, sometimes. You're able to use thunderguns, and various explosives to fight the enemy and hopefully get to their loot, what the raid is about - making basing dangerous. This is the main, competitive function of this server and DarkRP in general. With a $20 membership fee, you can place down some printers that print quite a bit more money than the standard.

Grabbing this info directly from ParaMontana's useful printer money making chart: (i65.tinypic.com/300w1tt.jpg // thanks!)
A nuclear printer, fully upgraded makes $316,320 an hour - yet many people seem to have the very cheap and worth it double booster, printer booster items like that. So, for the general population, all of these numbers are going to be doubled that may be boosted.

$632,640 (1x nuclear) an hour, combined with $562,320 (2x gold), $285,360 (2x ruby), $141,600 (2x silver), $261,600 (1x sapphire)
equals to
$1,883,520
I guess you can say the average length of a base with all VIP printers double boosted could be about...2.5 hours, average? Very hard to get an average on different servers and such, but you can change these variables if you ever wanted to.

$1,883,520 x 2.5 hours =
$3,767,040
After factoring in losses:
$3,767,040
-$537,306
$3,229,734/ 2.5 hours

These results do not have sleep, school, or other functions calculated in.

****MEAN VALUES ARE USED IN THESE CALCULATIONS BASED OFF OF 3 MONTH OF MINING/BASING CLOSE TO DAILY. YOUR DATA WILL DIFFER.****






For every $100 you make while mining, you would have made $36 while basing
BremFM wrote:

I believe I have sorted out your concerns.
Coutinroy wrote:

Possible Counterclaims:

you can lose your pickaxe!!!111!!!11!!! obviously this is balanced
you can lose your printers which if you don't have a double booster upgrade (the general population) is worth 2x-3x more than a single pickaxe... cancelling out most of your profits anyway, pro-basers
$1 - $1.5 million for a single pickaxe.
25 minutes of mining, and you can pay that back and more. So, no worries!

i print with all special printers
Well, I'm sure that the general population does not. You are an outlier.

all your math is wrong, no one has made 30 mil in a day with vip printers or 80 million mining
Easy to use this against you: Basing near-requires a person to be watching over, making more downtime between bases.
This math is also based on a 24-hour natural zarp day. Dice the math up or add extra variables, I'd like to see your results (for real!) If you have a life, sleep, go to school, I've got a way to make it more accurate for you: If you sleep 8 hours, 1/3 the results. If you go to school and sleep, 2/3 the results (leaving you with 10 mil) - yet realize it everyone is different and some people mine overnight, some don't, some have 2 accounts, some have 3.

Conclusion:
As a new player, I would consider printing enough money for a pickaxe and a few backups and choose the clearly superior way of making money. A point would be that people with extra money in real life have a massive amount of ways to expand their money making: buy more accounts to mine and print, or just even buy VIP. Yea, VIP isn't available to everyone, Zarp. It is easy to balance mining. our currency on Zarp, as mentioned before, is extremely inflated. so, to make people have the illusion that they still get a lot of money for mining, buff printers instead! No need to nerf mining then. Some possible ideas are get upgrades that let you have extra nuclear printers, 3x gold printers for 4 hours, maybe unlock tiers of printers like amethyst II. I'd love to suggest ideas for the server, yet still not a single person in power would care.
TFW clicking a red rock earns you $3,200

Disclaimer:
Nothing is going to change anytime soon, at least not drastically. All of the head admins and most staff like mining because of its sheer money making ability, and it's up to them at the end of the day. I just wrote this to turn some heads and inform.


If anyone has actually taken the time to read this or even skimmed through it and:

• has noticed an error
• doesn't like what I'm saying
• has a question
• wants to create discussion

you are beyond encouraged to speak up. Please don't make a fool of yourself. Read through the whole entire thing if you're sure you want to comment, though.